Barack Obama and the Gay Issue

bellah
October 23 2007, 10:39AM

So how about he Get the good Minister Michael Eric Dyson to go on tour with him. Brother Dyson will do some schooling on a whole lot of issues

Anonymous
October 23 2007, 11:00AM

Look, these options are all a big shell game, and under each shell is the exact same problem: Barack and his campaign went out of their way to invite homophobes on a mini-Southern tour.

A campaign staff is paid to problem-solve these very same things.

There are a huge number of non-homophobic black gospel singers who have never said a mumbling negative word about gays. Why this ex-gay CHURCH QUEEN and the most nice-nasty sisters in gopsel music? The fact of Barack's selection of hate-bearing sidekicks is not solved by any of those options.

It's not about appeasing gays or appeasing blacks in the South. It's about saying and doing the right thing from the get-go and Barack has missteped like a slew-footed dancer this time: bad, bad boogie.

Barack was going the way of the dodo bird (extinct, campaign-wise) long before this (and like the dodo bird, he's spoken about glowingly even in death). But this latest flap nails it: he'll never get to play president like Darth Vader (James Earl Jones) in The Man.

Blue
October 23 2007, 11:08AM

Nobody can say they don't know about Donnie McClurkin's backstory - he's built his whole fucking career around it ... if he says that he's a damn lie. This man is showing his true colors, just like I thought he would as his campaign progressed. It's a backdoor way of telling ignorant closed-minded black folks he's in agreement with them, at least to some degree. I am not surprised by this.

J
October 23 2007, 11:32AM

You know, I don't know if it's fair to call someone who "disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle" a phobe.

We're not talking about people who beat gays to death.

It is the definition of dumb however when someone in the church or a gospel artist says something of that nature.

I understand they want to remove the "suspect" tag so they can hit up the clubs and buy boys or poke the choir chicks with no heat, but the fact is every church is 89% real fruit. The music scene is pink as

If you have a problem with gays, go live in Tivoli Gardens.

Cocoa Rican
October 23 2007, 11:42AM

Can McClurkin! The man is a homophobic homosexual and his amazing talent is overshadowed by his insensitive stand toward a community he was once a part of - no one says he can't feel changed, but it doesn't mean you don't remember being the brow-beaten fag at the other end of the hatred. Obama needs to recognize that it's easier to get rid of McClurkin (liked his statement on McClurkin BTW) and replace him with a more diversity-friendly gospel artist. As for Mary-Mary, I'd never support them and their across the line anti-gay antics either. We need to consistently remember that our dollars and support CAN NEVER be leveraged to individuals who do not support our cause - and that includes folks who can't seem to pick a side of the fence.

ccw
October 23 2007, 11:52AM

Obama couldn't do a Gospel concert without having some major gospel artist who has anti-gay beliefs. Yes, Donnie has been very vocal about his, but it's no secret that most of these artists, and the denominations they come from, aren't gay friendly. I'm pretty sure Mary Mary wrote a song that was anti-gay. I've heard other artists put songs on their albums saying things like "come out of homosexuality." To my knowledge, there are no mainstream Gospel artist who are publicly pro-gay. Ideally, Obama's campaign shouldn't have invited Donnie in the first place because of his vocal anti-gay stance. But now that we are here, whatever he decides to do is going to offend someone.

MidwestGuy
October 23 2007, 11:56AM

Is McClurkin preaching on this tour?

Doing lectures?

Having "pray the gay out of you" concerts?

Will there even be a message?

Truthfully, I haven't been a fan of McClurkin since his '04 tour w/Bush.

But, I do not think he should be kicked off the tour. Other than a statement of his beliefs and intentions, I do not think Obama should calm gays nerves by meeting with them.

If he's simply singing god's praises and not delivering a morally/politically charged message, I do not have a problem with that.

I do hope that we are not THAT sensitive.

Myra
October 23 2007, 12:13PM

Obama claims he "supports" the gay community, Obama is saying what the crowds he appears before want to hear, and, now he is going for the "church folk" and the touring groups speak volumes about how he really feels. Mind you, I love me some Mighty Clouds of Joy, but, wouldn't see them in this line up for all the tea in China.

People have a choice when dealing with the gay rights issue,and, sometimes I don't care for how they feel, but, that's thier choice and right as long as they don't bash like so many of these so called church folks do, but, don't profess to be fair and open minded, and then spin around and start hanging with anti-gay or ex gays to pander for votes.

No choice at all for this election on gay or black issues. May as well just appoint Jeb Bush and keep the dynasty going.

Anonymous
October 23 2007, 12:14PM

Barack Obama issued the following statement on 10/22/07:

“I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists [and] confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.

I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin’s views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance [...].”

So if he believes all that then why invite the "Reverent" McClurkin in the first damn place; and if he disagrees with the CHURCH QUEEN then why not kick his bathhouse rammed butt off his tour?!

Yes: I've seen Donnie trolling in the baths! Ex-gay my old ass!

VERB
October 23 2007, 12:26PM

@ Midwest Guy...

I don't think it's so much a matter of being sensitive, but more who Obama has chosen to align himself with in this endeavor. Personally, I don't care who Obama's staff has chosen as he's already publicly stated (time and time again) what his views are in regard to LGBT rights. I think (I may be wrong) that most folks that aren't big on independent thought, may just think that because McClurkin & Mary, Mary are present, then that means "he don't like gays." I think most ppl are stupid and will completely ignore Obama's public statements and assume the worst. (I know I sound cynical, but I read the comments posted here all the time and it's obvious that critical thinking isn't popular in this country. That's My word.)

But TRUST, I hear you loud and clear.

Derrick from Philly
October 23 2007, 12:35PM

This decision by Barack's staff was incredibly stupid. Keith's 4th suggestion is the only one that may relieve some of the damage done to his campaign--only it's not just black gays he should meet with, but white ones also. Remember, it's not just white gays who are angry, it's the liberal friends of white gays, and of course, many BLACK GAYS ALSO! How desperate Barack's staff must've been. You would risk loosing California to make a showing in the South Carolina Primary. Where the hell is ultra conservative South Carolina going to go in the general election? And where the hell has Donnie McClurkin been for the last two general elections? What the hell is he doing coming near any Democrat?

And what the f___k is a Mary Mary? Do you make it with Vodka or Gin?

Regan DuCasse
October 23 2007, 12:48PM

I have to question why McClurkin? I can think of OTHER well known singers who AREN'T homophobic. And bellah makes a great point, there is Rev. Dyson to look to for advisement, Cornel West, media men like Eugene Robinson or Leonard Pitts to show him how to articulate black/gay common concerns, instead of seeing them at odds with each other.
Gay men and women are just as concerned about jobs, educational opportunities and military services as blacks were in another era.
But the more immediate ones ARE the war, gang violence and recruitment, drugs, HIV/AIDS and children born out of wedlock and job loss.

Nobody gets to agree OR disagree with being gay, not even gay folks.

I'm sick of the fence straddling and double talk coming from the candidates.
I always say,
fence straddling cuts off circulation to your balls.

Darian
October 23 2007, 12:51PM

Let's get real for a moment. There is one thing that people in the red states identify with collectively and that's homophobia and the gospel acts lined up will without a doubt deliver. Donnie McClurkin has been spreading his dangerous message of "change" for years and Mary Mary compares homosexuals to murderers and prostitutes.

Republican politicians have used the LGBT community to divide this country and energize their base by gay bashing and promoting fear for decades and with this tour Barack Obama stoops to the same pathetic political level. There is nothing God-fearing black folks accept more than a good fire and brimstone sermon condeming "the gays" or better yet a powerful testimony from an ex-gay who is 48 years old and unmarried. At $10 a ticket this tour will sell out in South Carolina and everyone involved will benefit at the expense of gays and lesbians all over this country. I long for the day when black gays and lesbians stop supporting their music and walk out of these homophobic churches.

Shabaka
October 23 2007, 1:00PM

I was wondering when you were going to post something about this issue...So here we are.
Well in my opinion, he shouldn't align himself with Donnie...AT ALL. But if he's going to then he should go with option # 4 since it's the only one that offers a "win-win" situation. Southern black folks are happy and LGTBs feel included as well.

cward
October 23 2007, 1:02PM

The harsh reality is that Obama does not know how to connect with the Black community without the addition of the church. He is outside of his element in the Black community and I am more surprised that his wife (Michelle) is not taking the lead in this area. Obama is more of a figure for the liberal white Americans to feel comfortable to vote for a Black president.

We as black gay people are not welcome by many churches; so that it hard to accept anyone would align themselves with these churches, especially one who is running for President.

Final thought: black gays (men and women) are not his target audience. When Democratic candidates speak about gay issues they are all "light weights" because we would not vote Republican. We are guaranteed votes!

Be sure to check out my blog, thanks!

Billy
October 23 2007, 1:08PM

I believe that he was familiar with McClurkin but his idea was just to have him sing-not preach. I think he made these choices because they are artists who have spoken out against gays and maybe by inviting themn some of the conservative voters who purchase their music could possibly be persuaded-an attempt to bridge the gaps. However I think at this point-option 3 looks like the best remedy.

cchambers
October 23 2007, 1:38PM

There's a lot that can be said about this mess of a situation.
1- It's of no surprise to me, it seems this concert was based solely on name recognition to help pull in concert gross revenues/ticket sales/etc. As their are other artists that could have been billed for this concert.
2- To attack Donnie's "known" position, while the others get the safety cushion, is just as much bullcrap as them being chosen. Shall we go back and recall Hezekiah's comments/feelings on homosexuality (whether preached or sang word) SAME BOAT! Add him to the list as well, then!
Throw in Mary Mary, they're all in the same category.
3- I believe it's more questioning to Obama's policies and principals of implementation that concern people the most. True he attends a 'civil union reconizing' church which may present him more progressive.. but it's apparent his methodolgies and how his ideas are presented is very concerning... not just in this situtation, but in overall gov't policy.

Leading scenario #4 as his best remedy...

Doug Cooper-Spencer
October 23 2007, 1:59PM

Bellah took the words right out of my mouth. What about gay supportive ministers? They are out there. You know Keith, the fact that you state Obama might not be aware of the controversey surrounding McClurkin tells me how he needs to spend more time getting to know the gay community. If he goes through with this tour he should have the balls to stand up and publicly oppose McClurkin and his ilk. One thing's for sure though, this whole thing will show the real Obama on matters that affect the gay community.

MidwestGuy
October 23 2007, 2:02PM

Verb, how can I forgot how minds work. lol

I haven't followed Donnie much after '04. But am I to understand that he is continuing to spread the same message from 3 years ago? I haven't heard much about him until now.

If he has then I can see the concern. But, if he's only singing, what's the issue? He's a singer, not a politician.

Obama has denounced that he doesn't share Donnie's views and still supports the same rights as he has for gays.

CWARD>We know that you are an edwards supporter.

However, why question Obama's blackness?

Does graduating from Ivy League schools, marrying an obviously black sister, raising a black family, attending a black church, and most importantly identfying yourself as black, somehow disconnects from the black community?

Is he too light? Speak too much standard English? Too educated? Too clean? Too articulate?

I'm really surprised that you, as an educator, would go there.

bubba
October 23 2007, 2:16PM

You either stand for equality under the dictates of the constitution, or you don't. Aligning oneself with people that want theocratic rules for society will never be more than pandering. But none of this should be a surprise because Obama sat on Oprah Winfrey's stage and said he didn't think the country was ready for gay marriage. We don't have to wonder how much the religious clique influenced that opinion. No matter what his apologists will say here, the association with these people is an assertion of his own treachery. These gospel fakers want to inflict amnesia on us, but who can forget that they hold ideals identical to those of conservatives? Now that a Black democrat is running, they want to hitch a ride to his bus because they share a skin color. Anyone who supports their divide-and-conquer mentality will do. Don't be as flighty and schizophrenic as them! Stick to your beliefs!

gs
October 23 2007, 2:24PM

Let the program stand as is. Like any good politician looking for votes, he's going after some core votes with the event as well as his statement. Leave the man alone.

marv
October 23 2007, 2:41PM

lol church queen! thats new one to me.well ill be following this one because i looks like its going to be more controversy. As for am Donnie she will be outed again im sure she still likes boys.

cward
October 23 2007, 2:45PM

Midwest Guy,

If you want to speak with me directly please do so on the email address that is provided (click on the little man and there it is) as I do not want to clog up this space.

There is a self-serving tendency by anonymous people on numerous blogs to "hijack" the discussion with other issues that are not relevant and more personal in nature.

Thank you

taylor Siluwé
October 23 2007, 2:54PM

There is only one option. Barack's people convince McClurkin to 'Fall Down' and stay down. For me, axing Mary Mary and Donnie's butt-buddy in crime Hezekiah Walker would be the icing on the cake, but that would be tantamount to canceling the concert and pissing of the southern gospel conservatives. But who cares, didn't the ignorant vote put Bush back in office?

Bottomline is -- who's right and who's wrong? With anti-gay hate on the rise, with the murder of our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters downplayed, aligning his campaign with such religious ignorance was a bone-headed move to begin with. Hillary is tickled to death, I'm sure. And truth be told, neither has the balls to stand up for what is truly right.

We should all vote for Mike Gravel and fuck them both. Of course, that would almost guarantee Mr. 9/11 will be the next president (oh, the horror).

t
October 23 2007, 3:03PM

I am not a fan of donnie mcclurkin..however, i totally support barack obama. i think we as black people find so many things to tear each other down. barack has already stated that he does not support the views of mcclurkin but he still can be a part of the campaign. we are not going to agree on everything. i don't think by donnie participating on this tour that it will hurt the black gay agenda. i hope we are just going to support obama just on one issue because this is not the issue. we have so many other issues facing our commmunity...we don't need to focus our energies on issues that are not impacting our community.

peace

taylor Siluwé
October 23 2007, 3:32PM

t ... WTF?!

This is a perfect example of the mentality which will keep our community begging for scraps until Jesus comes back.

Hate comes in many forms, not always a swastika, burning cross, or the 'F' word shouting from a speeding car. No matter how passively or subliminal the hate, its still gravely dangerous. Have you seen Barack courting the Jewish vote will Mel Gibson?

We have to stop being pussies, stand up for what's right and learn to call a spade a spade. McClurkin may not be parading around with 'God Hates Fags' placards, but his message is widely known and understood. He 'allegedly' changed his evil dick sucking ways and you can too. He even wrote a book about it. Barack is validating that position. It can not be allowed.

Our community has learned to keep quiet, I know. But it's time to stop being pussies. Wrong is wrong.

cmoney
October 23 2007, 3:53PM

Hmm, I smell Hillary Clinton's campaign and her HRC supporters all over this story, pushing it in the media. Most Black people don't spend every waking hour wondering what Donnie McClurkin thinks about gays. We (Black gays) do. I think that McClurkin's views on gays were not even considered when he was selected. But that is a problem--Obama's campaign should have been smarter than this. Now, they have handed Hillary another weapon to use against him. People like Donnie McClurkin make me sick. He is the Gay equivalent of an Uncle Tom-and "Uncle Mary". He has denounced his own sexual orientation to hide his own sexual orientation. Ex-gay!!? Yeah right!

MidwestGuy
October 23 2007, 4:11PM

Cward, ok thanks.

Instead of jumping the gun on any and everything gay, it would be nice to take a step back and think for a change.

What should we be fighting for in this case? Our problem seems to be with Donnie, not Obama.

Since it seems as if we have failed in stopping Donnie, is the bulleye now being placed on Obama's forehead? If so, it's misguided.

Everybody doesn't have to be forever gay.

If you want to fight then fight the offender. Obama shouldn't have to sit down with gays on this one.

So that he can say what? That he supports the rights of gays? He's done that already.

Are we now saying that it's ok to cater to gays but how dare he cater to blacks. He can be the president of gays but not blacks. This is pathetic.

We don't need to have our egos stroked.

Another wrong battle people which will lead us down the road to nowhere.

Another case of a group jockeying for power.

When will we learn.

Equalnox
October 23 2007, 4:19PM

OPTION SEVEN:

Keith Boykin and Nathan Hale Williams can put on their tightest tank tops and their shortest shorts and seduce McClurkin back to the dark side, thus ending his condemnation of homosexuality.

Problem solved!

Next!

taylor Siluwé
October 23 2007, 4:45PM

LOL @ Equalnox!

It would work too!! Now if Keith and Nathan could keep their food down long enough to do it, we'd have a plan!!

You just made my day with that. LOL!

Leila
October 23 2007, 4:54PM

Although his UNFORTUNATE opinion about gays, I love Obama. He seems to be a SERIOUS candidate and has great proposals (way better then Bush's ones). I always find his SPEECHES very INTELLIGENT, specially this one: http://www.weshow.com/us/p/20600/baraka_obama_on_the_tonight_show

bubba
October 23 2007, 5:09PM

Remind me of why you visit this site, MidwestGuy. You have a habit of posting opinions that defy gay interests. But we should "think for a change?" This is a matter of "ego?" You'd have to have a brain tumor to think decrying a politician's alliance with people who denigrate you is a matter of ego. Then again, you don't seem too interested in gay rights your damn self. So I repeat the question - what are you doing here? No, the problem is NOT only with McClurkin, but with OBAMA as well. He is only as honorable as the people he chooses to associate with. You know good and well nobody suggested that Obama should choose between Blacks and gays. What's so hard about appeasing BOTH groups? He won't choose between his racial identities, but for our sexuality he makes an exception. A real leader refuses to favor some underlings at the expense of others. You must have a few jaw-dropping excuses for the Bush administration up your sleeve.

VERB
October 23 2007, 5:38PM

Derrick from Philly: "And what the f___k is a Mary Mary? Do you make it with Vodka or Gin?"

LOL! I can always count on you for a gag.

PDQ
October 23 2007, 5:39PM

I wonder what Oprah Winfrey, who is trying to play political king-maker with her endorsement of Obama thinks about this. For that matter, I wonder what her "friends" Stedman and Gayle have to say about it!

Karmatic
October 23 2007, 6:39PM

Donnie "dick lickin" McClurkin is a man who obviously has no shame...He has successfully figured out what triggers and motivates Black people of faith..
**Just position yourself as a former sinner who has now seen the light, and you'll become
an example for all of the evil gays to follow (and you'll also get rich in the process)**
Choosing McClurkin and Mary Mary was a calculated move by the Obama camp..I hope it was worth it for them because it will be costly!

Hillary, you can count on having my vote sistah!

Kenneth Winfrey
October 23 2007, 8:03PM

I'm surprised y'all are soooo surprised.

When I first heard of his gospel tour, I expected him to illicit the assistance of the gospel music community--of which Michael Eric Dyson (for example) in not a part, but, sadly, homophobia almost always is.

I, for one, won't hold this [alone] against him. For those of us in the Black community that cannot develop a passion or see a blessing lest there be somebody screamin' and singin' "His" name, Obama is there...

If I'm forced to choose between Obama and Clinton based on their LGBT record, I'd just as soon toss a coin! Niether have impressed me more than the other.

If I'm choosing a candidate overall, I'd choose Kucinich with my brain...but Obama w/ my heart because he is marketable and represents something new and different.

He can appoint an seasoned cabinet to supplement his lack of experience. I'm sure they'll serve him as well (and likely much better) than Bush's cabinet served him as a supplement for his woeful lack of intelligence!

MidwestGuy
October 23 2007, 8:40PM

Bubba, BUBBA, I come to this board to not just read different points of views but to share my own as well.

I come because this is about as close as I get to having open conversations with others about gay issues.

I see some of the most vicious, hate-filled, single-minded opinions on this board daily. These views come from a group of people who are supposed to be so oppressed and inclusive?

Gays believing that all gays should think the same way.

You're either with us without us hunh?

Although my experiences in gay life may drastically differ from most in here, I am probably one of the non-exclusive posters on the board.

Unless something drastic happens, Obama still has my vote. I accept his statement about his intentions just as I accepted Isaiah Washington's apology.

If thinking this way makes me somehow anti-gay.

then

That's your issue.

Deal with it.

Luther
October 23 2007, 9:35PM

Who is "tearing" Mr Obama down? He seems to be uneasy with us regular black folks,gay or straight, afraid to discuss any "black" issue as he does not want to be seen as a "black candidate." Which is what I guess it takes to win an election in this country.

I don't care if he is on a gospel tour, since none of those "singers' are real gospel singers to beginning with. And, I don't think he is a homophobe, a term thrown out far too freely about anyone who isn't 100% pro gay.he's like most Christians Americans, confounded about gay issues, and, that's life, and, he needs to be educated on it, and, I wonder if he has any black gay advisors? He could get another side of black issues that way.

He didn't have my vote before, just like all the ones on the Democratic side and now he does not at all, he seems like a nice enough man, but, I still have no idea where he stands on anything, other than he is not part of the problem in DC, when they are all part of the problem.

Captain
October 23 2007, 9:53PM

I pray ya'll don't burn in hell ignorant in knowing full well homosexuality will never be acceptable unto God. Your money and gay dollars is dust!

cmoney
October 23 2007, 9:59PM

Captain, meet Donnie McClurkin. He is just as confused and fucked up in the head as you are. I think you two would make a great couple.

Jon
October 23 2007, 10:18PM

This is my first time posting on here so be kind!jk

I just think that we as the GLBT community must stop allowing the homophobic church to hijack the political process. The Donnie MuClurkins and Mary Marys of the world are doing nothing but sending out a messages of hate, and I don't think that anyone wanting a vote from the GLBT community should be associating with such people. I have thought for sometime now that Obama would not be the right person to advocate for the GLBT community in this political process and with more instances like this my thoughts are being confirmed.

Sandy
October 23 2007, 11:04PM

Mr Obama has made a smart move. He has already stated his position on gays and lesbians and I belive him. The black church vote is very vital to him winning. The tax free money and captive audience that they have is not easy to ignore. As a matter of fact it would be suicide for Mr. Obama to ignore this group.
This is politics; he has to make hard choices. Right now he is lagging behind Hillary Clinton. Mr. Obama just can not ignore any segment of the black community.
I believe in his personal integrity. Am I happy about the choice he had to make? No. But, look I am not happy about a whole lot of things in this world; I'll get over it and go to working in the morning. I am not going to deny Mr. Obama a chance to present his ideas and opinions in front people who will listen to him.

bubba
October 23 2007, 11:39PM

If somebody's thinking is anti-gay, then it's "my issue," eh? That's the tactic of a real asshole, to convince you that your rightful feelings of disrespect are delusions of grandeur.
-It's not MCCLURKIN or OBAMA at fault for their endorsement of homophobic thinking, folks!
-The issue at hand is a poisonous stew of monolithic thinking, which prevents gays from obliging their oppressors.
-Most importantly, ANYTHING to win!
:)

taylor Siluwé
October 23 2007, 11:39PM

Good point, Sandy ...

And if Obama doesn't see the black gay community as a viable political force then its our own fault. Like so many said, McClurkin is surrounded by SGL's happy to take his abuse. Like I said before, as long as we don't take a stand, we'll always get scrapes.

If Obama goes through with this -- and I still hope he'll wiggle out of it somehow -- my Clinton '08 banners go up the day after. There is no other option, he either sides with right, or those who spew hate.

Jaye
October 24 2007, 12:23AM

I wish I had known about Mary Mary four CD's ago! (That crappy Christmas CD included) I will NEVER purchase another CD of those fat screaming witches again!

I have ALWAYS been a supporter of Hillary Clinton! She will most definintely get ALL my support.

nhlanhla- South Africa
October 24 2007, 3:29AM

Let Obama be saved only by sensible policy formulation, sensible decision making and integrity. Which means: no zero-sum games of poker-like options. Voters are not always dumm, and even if they were, they still need respect. Obama can still come clean and dump the bigots, acknowledging a poor decision. If there's a price to that, it would be the first lesson for their campaign. If the price is too high, then he may just not be the ONE.

Flip flopping is the worst attribute, but some mistakes can be made and acknowledged.

A sure thing, the world is watching, especially since the Bush-mess double dose.

Any case why do the South Coroliner conservative, ultra religious, homophobic, etc., blacks matter at all to Obama? Right there is a ? Blacks like that like Condy should be let to BE the Reps.

Strepsi
October 24 2007, 7:03AM

Obama needs to fire some of his "handlers"! They clearly created as big mess. He NEEDS to get rid of McClurkin to be consistent, and consistency is part of integrity. He will lose some votes from pople who, if you believe other forums, think he's "not black enough" (WTF?) anyway..... But boy, these lousy "Christian" hypocrites do not pay heed to ANY of Leviticus except the one thing about gays. If you are an adulterer you need to be killed - if you eat shellfish you must be banished from society. No shrimp? There goes the South anyway! And it's so hypocritical that most of these choirs do not "approive" of being gay. I hope every gay man walks out of his Church this Sunday -- I would love to see these gospel choirs try to funciton with NO Choir director, NO musicians, half a choir, and half the staff gone!!!

MidwestGuy
October 24 2007, 8:22AM

Bubba, I have answered your question.

Thanks for your intelligent, well-reasoned response.

cward
October 24 2007, 10:22AM

My question for many of the people here is:

Who are you hoping to vote for since no one has officially won the democratic ticket?

Tim'm
October 24 2007, 10:35AM

seriously. why vote for a man with no balls? sorry if that sounds harsh. this only confirmed what i've believed from day one: inconsistent, afraid, and volatile. where is he on the issue(s), and the whole.... will do _____ if _____ leads to ______

doesn't sit well with me. I'm not sure if it's any better than voting for a homophobe who, at least, is clear and consistent in their stance... and who will honestly engage me about their "issues"

and trust me...i've been trying to like the guy.

MidwestGuy
October 24 2007, 11:50AM

Cward, you already know that I am a 1000000% Obama guy. :)

'dre
October 24 2007, 11:50AM

@cward, none of them running have impressed me on any level, so, at this point, i have no desire to even vote in the next election since none of them have said anything to inspire me that they are and will be different from the current boob in office.

as for obma not being "black" enough, thats not it, he does not even admit to being black or has he changed that? i don't ned him to be "black enough," just show some concern for black isssues, which are still unique in this country. even mike huckabee will talk about "black issues" something mr obama defers on in most cases.

jas
October 24 2007, 1:05PM

Personally laying all the gay issues aside, I would not vote for Obama simply because I do not feel that he is a qualified candidate. Now back to the gay stuff McClurkin is a queen, and obviously Mary Mary have been dumped in the past by men who are gay or they found out they are gay. LOL
Vote for "Hill" she's a lesbian anyway!!!

Blue
October 24 2007, 1:15PM

Cward I'm with Dre .. shit, at this point I'm about to vote for Stephen Colbert!

VERB
October 24 2007, 1:27PM

LMAO @ Blue!

@ Cward... I like Kucinich most of all, but I know he won't win the bid. My next candidate in line is John Edwards. If I still lose there, I'll take Obama over Clinton.

MidwestGuy
October 24 2007, 3:17PM

Verb, I like Kucinich too, a whole lot. Not more than Obama, but he's at the top. Next in line is Edwards. I'll take Mike Gravel over Clinton>lol

Stuffed Animal
October 24 2007, 3:34PM

A word to the "Captain": Stop your lying. You know in your heart that you want each and every one of us to burn in Hell. That's the only thing that would validate your bigotry. What a shame . . . you're so busy salivating over the prospect of us going to Hell, you don't realize you're on a fast track to Satan's crib your damn self. While you're thinking that one over, skipper, find something better to do than haunt Gay blogs.

C. Baptiste-Williams
October 24 2007, 4:29PM

I wonder if we all took a look at our friends, family and people that surround us. Do we totally agree with 100% of their views? Does this change our stance on issues?

It amazes me that we feel politicians can only be around people that echo their views... i think it is really unrealistic.

Baltimore Fred
October 24 2007, 5:00PM

I'm somewhat hurt by this episode, but not enough to change my support for Obama. The main beneficiary of Obama's perceived weaknesses is Hillary Clinton. Let us not forget that she stood idly by while her husband advocated for Don't Ask Don't Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act. That is a record of actual harm to the GLBT community that is far worse than gospel singers with bad theology. I appreciate that Obama has challenged Black churches on issues of sexuality and I think those actions speak louder than this gospel tour.

ChicagoChild
October 24 2007, 5:44PM

I'm not worried about Obama because Obama is not going to win.

There was an article about Black women being more for Clinton than Obama.

Why? Because Black women like strong Black men. And Obama comes across as too tenative and timid.

Black women don't like men like that.

MLee
October 24 2007, 6:20PM

‘dre, do you really want another Republican president? Have you ever considered voting for the lesser of two evils, not saying any of the Democratic candidates are evil?

MidwestGuy
October 24 2007, 7:57PM

Now I have heard many false assumptions about Obama. But, ChicagoChild, you have truly surpassed them all.

Black women don't like Obama because he doesn't seem like a strong black man?

Really?

If that's the reason they support Clinton over him, then black women are more stupid than what me and a lot of other black men originally gave them credit for.

Maybe he just needs to get his dick sucked in his Senate office--you know show off that black male prowess. Black women may like that better.

C. Bap, Yes it is totally unrealistic.

nhlanhla - S.Africa
October 25 2007, 3:37AM

C.Bap: You are right that it is impossible to have everyone agree with one on every issue 100%. But that is not the issue I think.

The reason why there are democrats and neoconservatives and other groups is precisely because across some ethical line it (should it?) becomes impossible for a lefty to hang with a right-wing. Unless one was a complete schizophrenic, and in some cases possibly suicidal. So, for a libertarian (Obama?) to want to hang with a group of conservatives, ultra religious, homophobic, and bigoted, even if black, is for many, past that ethical line.

Hence, the Obama expectation may be demanding of character, but not unrealistic.

I know that some of us have families and even friends who are completely homophobic and racist and sexist, and for some reason we fail to dissociate ourselves from them, but some of us have done that. Like some have stayed on the DL, some have had the character. Still very hard (and of course costly) choices. Not unrealistic though.

Blue
October 25 2007, 10:21AM

I don't think Chicago Child is far off the mark. Some black chicks ARE that stupid - they don't think a well-spoken, educated black man is "man" enough. Hence their love of the ruffneck. I have white-collar female friends who are laid up with sorry ass nggaz right now who don't have shit going for them, but they are cornrowed and Timbed out and they think it's cute and sexy. So yes, there are black chicks who think like that - and a good portion of dumb black homos too.

saint james
October 25 2007, 2:20PM

It wasn't Mary Mary that wrote the anti-gay song it was Debbi and Angie Winan.

ChicagoChild
October 25 2007, 5:56PM

@ MidwestGuy and Blue.

Well, they are your women. And judging from your comments and the comments of your "thug" culture and Hip Hop music----I will have to agree with you.

A whole Black culture has been saying this for awhile now regarding Black women. So it must be true!

Makes me feel kinda sorry for Don Imus now.....

James Synegal
October 25 2007, 6:33PM

Hello, all. I personally think that Sen. Obama is a decent man, trustworthy and respectful, but to a certain point. First, of all if my memory serves me correctly, he has in the past voiced his not so "approval" of the "gay" lifestyle. So why does he now seem to be so interested in us. Has he become a fag hag! Everybody know that these politicians have one motive in mind Get as many votes as possible to further their own gain. Yes he does seem liberal, however, we as a black community really should stop voting for one just because he is black, we also need to stop playing the race card. Obama is a politician simple as that and within the context of any politician's career agenda, unfortunately there has to be a certain amount of "social acceptance". In other words, it is not fashionable for Obama to be socially accepting of gays, whether he is Democrat or Republican, This is sad, but true. This our American society, folks, discriminatory, and excluding. Hats off folks. Anyways, if Obama is so "gay-friendly", then why hasn't he allied himself with gay rights groups in the past, or lobbied for gay civil rights? Good question huh? He has spoken a few times on the issue however, he aint got me fooled. This is a classic case of what my mama used to call "talking black and sleeping white". Unfortunately he is fooling himself, these people run around talking about how they gone vote for him, but they lying, they just pumping him up to let him down. He may pull a few votes, from the black community, however with the white folks they liars they know good and well that they aint about to elect no black president. Condoleeza Rice would have a better chance than him. She already and Uncle Tom Republican, doesnt have any forseeable baggage, she experienced, and can speak their "foolish" language. So why didn't she run. Anyways I hate to say it but this country aint ready for no black president, as much as I would like to see Obama in office. I bet ol boy Bush is having a hard time sleeping in office knowing that retirement is less than a few months away Is our children learning? Sounds dyslexic to me huh? Makes ya wonder. These southern conservative Republicans need to sit their fat asses down somewhere spreading all that hate its ridiculous how excluding they can be. But I do wish Obama and Hillary all the support in the world. Personally, I may go for Hillary, but she aint exactly did the best for gays either huh? Either way it would be a way to give these damn Repubs a dosage of their own medicine and then we can finally say Thank You, but I think that you have been PROPERLY SERVED!!!!!!!

loi wade
October 26 2007, 12:05PM

How in the HELL did this turn into an attack on your mothers ,sisters ,daughters and every other black woman who kept you dumb bastards alive and made you what you are today?! How DARE you. It is a good thing Barak doesn't think like you. He has a beautiful and strong black woman by his side. I am a sistah who loves Barak. And it is terrifying me that Hilary is getting the edge. As far as the black women who are dating thugs. First people say we think we are too good for black men who aren't as educated as us. Then, when , we try and step outside the box, we don't respect a good man. Which is it fools? As for Mr. Midwest' Clinton comment. No one knows about dick sucking better than a fag. I'm sorry but I am pissed! Only a black woman can give birth to a black man. Maybe we should stop doing that so we can correct our mistakes. chicago child does not represent most sitahs. I don't know where that fool came from.

ChicagoChild
October 26 2007, 7:01PM

"How in the HELL did this turn into an attack on your mothers ,sisters ,daughters and every other black woman who kept you dumb bastards alive and made you what you are today?! How DARE you."

'chicago child does not represent most sitahs. I don't know where that fool came from."

LOOKS LIKE YOU JOINED THE ANTI-WOMAN, ANTI-BLACK CLUB
WELCOME TO THE CLUB, DEAR.

Never said I was a woman nor Black. But in the end, you Blacks all agree on one thing: Black women aren't worth much.

All I did was recite from a recent newspaper article that stated that a high percentage of Black women were voting for Hillary. How that translated into an anti-Black woman diatribe, beats me.

But thanks for the entertainment!

loi wade
October 26 2007, 8:18PM

chicago , dear! Either I really hit a nerve or you haven't had your daily dose of dope or dick. Either way I am done responding to you. You have just shown everyone that you are CERTIFIABLE. God Bless you child.

alicia banks
October 26 2007, 9:28PM

when hillary called obama "inexperienced", she was blasted as if she had stated some malicious slur...clearly those who were offended now see that she was indeed accurate, even if bluntly so.

no seasoned politician would EVER have even become remotely involved with a toxic loon like donnie m...

and, some errors simply cannot be fixed.
they can only serve as lessons which garner experiences...belatedly so in obama's case!

peace
ab

manaja
October 27 2007, 2:13PM

OK Now I I do not understand all this hating on Donnie McClurkin. He used to be gay but now he is changed. The man is trying to live his life and fulfill his purpose! Why must he be condemned for doing it? Every one of us has our own views and every body does not always agree with them,Let him be. As you do you let him do him. He is a Pastor now, a father. He has a small son who will be influenced by all this negative media. He is trying to get his life together, just let him.
God has delivered him. He just wants others to know what this same God can do for those who are lost and living in confusion, darkness, lonliness, and despair. God is waiting for them to ask. Just ask and he will respond.

Virgin
October 29 2007, 12:42PM

OBAMA WILL NOT HAVE THE BLACK CHRISTIAN VOTE!!! OPEN MINDNESS IS LOVING EVERY HUMAN BEING. SEXUAL PREFERENCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO YOU ARE!!! WE SEE THE ATTACK ON CHRISTIANITY ALL THE TIME, AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ATTACK FROM THE PIT OF HELL. AND THE DEVIL AND HIS DEMONS WILL LOOSE EVERY TIME. READ THE BOOK!!!!

ivanmustplay
October 29 2007, 5:15PM

I am loathed to insert my two cents into this discussion but can no longer be silent. I have grave reservations re: "wasting" my vote on a person who will most likely not win. I am black and gay but have serious concerns about the outcome of a vote for Obama. I think we must be strategic with our votes. If Obama should become the democratic candidate I predict you will see folks who don't want a black man elected coming out of the woodwork to make sure someone like Rudy Giuliani gets elected (Oh the horror!). Obama seems like a very sincere man but is he (at this time) capable of making it all the way to the White House? I am not convinced. I suggest we use our vote for someone who can actually win. HILLARY IN 'O8.

malik
October 29 2007, 5:37PM

This guy Obama never fails to surprise me! I knew from the begining of things, when he started yakking about running for President that he just was "not ready for prime time," so to speak.

I went to Ivy League schools with guys like this. I was not impressed with his type then, and am not now. Any sophmore on the campuses of Yale, Howard or Ohio State could do as well or better.

Obama is a smart barely black guy who speaks well, and has shown himself to be as my grandfather would say an educated fool. This guy loves to hear himself talk. That's just one of his problems! I'm a young black man who is a liberal Democrat, and as much as I would love to see a black man become President of this country I would not vote for Obama. He simply is not qualified, and has no chance at all be become President now or ever!

Rebecca
October 31 2007, 11:11AM

Some of your minds are reprobate. There is no way that God will EVER stand for homosexuality. His word will never change no matter how one tries to fix it up to their likings.

Get a grip In the beginning God made male and female. That alone shows a difference amongst the two. Why did he create male and female? Hmmm! because he chose to. Now, if you're unsatisfied with what you read in the bible about God's creation of male and female there is really nothing you can do about it but, be an incomplete male or female with the use of harmones.

Realize this that when you were borned you were male or female. A homosexual, transexual, bisexual, transgender gay, lesbian etc. was something you learned about. You can be what you want to be but, to have fulfillment in this life you must first be who God made you to be male or female. DON'T GET IT TWISTED. I cannot go with your weak versions of why you feel you're not a man or woman when the word of God clearly states different.

loi wade
November 4 2007, 6:10PM

Rebecca, I had no intention of posting anything else on this topic again, but you are unreal! I have been hurt by more so called christians than anyone else. A true child of God shows so in their actions, not their big mouths. Homosexuality has been widely observed in the animal kingdom, can you explain that? When was the last time you ate pork or prawns ,HUH? Have you ever braided your hair? Have you ever worn a garment that is made of more than one material? You have already broken one rule. You are a woman who is running your damn mouth. You know as a woman you are to remain silent Girl! You see, I can pull things out of a book to suit my agenda just like you can. How DARE you speak for my Father! Just out of curiosity, why are you on this website?

Doris
November 27 2007, 3:05PM

I think it is wrong to say that people are homophobic because they disagree with the gay lifestyle. That is not the case. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentence. Now that message may have been given in a mean spirited way in times past or even still now but, it does not change the fact that God loves the gay person just not the lifestyle. It is so very clear in the bible that God is against it. Not the person delivering the message but, the word itself speaks against it. Whether you believe it or not. Just because more than half of the gospel music industry is made up of mostly gay people does not make it right.

Tito
November 27 2007, 5:31PM

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drumraven
January 8 2008, 2:50AM

doris, your statement is the kind I abhor. Ok, I respect YOUR right to be a Christian, but not all of us are. Let's face it 70% of the worlds population is NOT. My Creator has no problem with the gay lifestyle, so don't speak for him/her/it or me.