Liar!
By Keith Boykin, in politics
Friday, June 29 2007, 10:42AM
I don't know why some black people ever defended Clarence Thomas when he was nominated for Supreme Court. I said then that he could not be trusted and he would become the proverbial fox guarding the chicken coop. Yesterday, my worst fears were realized when Thomas joined a bare 5-member majority to strike down public school integration plans across the nation.
After 16 years on the bench, Thomas's conservative, anti-black jurisprudence may not be a surprise to anyone who has watched him. But if you go back in history, you'll see that Thomas clearly lied to the U.S. Senate when he was asked about integration during his confirmation hearings. Back then, he said he would follow existing precedent in dealing with integration cases and had no "agenda" to overturn the law. Yesterday, however, Clarence Thomas voted with a 5-4 majority to upset decades of existing racial integration precedent.
The Supremes Turn All-White
The court ruled yesterday that public school systems cannot seek to achieve or maintain integration through measures that take explicit account of a student’s race. That ruling effectively ends decades of American integration policy and ensures that our schools will soon return to the segregated status in which they existed before Brown v. Board of Education.
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race," Justice Roberts wrote for the majority. But Roberts, like Thomas, failed to understand the simple distinction between using race for the purpose of discriminating against a minority and using race for the purpose of helping a minority achieve equality. The latter justification was the purpose of Brown, and the new Bush-dominated court has just turned Brown on its head.
But the real tragedy was the role reversal for Clarence Thomas. Back on September 16, 1991, a very different sounding Clarence Thomas promised to be more cautious about these things (See the transcript). When asked by Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), Thomas promised to respect precedent.
Clarence Thomas In 1991
SEN. SPECTER: ...they are two 1971 opinions by unanimous Supreme Court, with the opinions being written by Chief Justice Burger, in a very conservative thrust. One of the cases is Swann versus the School Districts, and I ask you about this case because you have written on the subject in..."Assessing the Reagan Years." And you complain about, quote, "Brown not only ended segregation but required school integration." My first question to you is if you end segregation, doesn't it necessarily mean that you are requiring school integration?
JUDGE THOMAS: Well, I guess the -- semantically, the reference that -- my own reference to those two different terms would have been that desegregation would be the ability to simply not be barred from certain activity and integration would be more positive, that is that you're required to have a certain percentage or certain number.
SEN. SPECTER: Judge Thomas, does your criticism of the Swann case signify another one of the illustrations of your advocacy from the Executive Branch or is this something you really think should be changed, something you would try to change if confirmed for the Supreme Court?
JUDGE THOMAS: Senator, the answer to the second portion of your question is -- is the same as I've said in other areas. I have no agenda to -- to change existing case law. That's not my predisposition. It's not the way that I approach my job. The concern that a number of us raise with respect to -- just as individuals in the society, as individuals who've watched the changes in our country, was simply that if we could demonstrate that the educational opportunities were improving for minorities, then whether it is busing or any other technique, then use it. But make sure that we're helping these young kids.
That was totally out of the legal context. That would just simply be -- would have been a preference that I expressed as a citizen. I have not reviewed the -- gone back and looked at Swann or the other cases and made any determination that would undermine my ability to look at those cases impartially. And I certainly don't have a predisposition that precludes me in any way from looking at those cases in an objective manner.
Clarence Thomas Today
Back in 1991, Thomas promised a skeptical Senate that he had "no agenda to change existing case law." Yesterday he changed it. Back in 1991, he said busing and other integration techniques were acceptable if they were helping minorities. Yesterday he joined an opinion that said it was unconstitutional to help minorities.
I knew he couldn't be trusted when he claimed that he had never talked about or thought about Roe v. Wade while he was in law school at Yale. Here was a guy who wanted to be on the highest court in the land and he had never even had a conversation about the most controversial Supreme Court decision of his lifetime that happened to be decided while he was in law school? That was completely implausible.
But no more implausible than his ridiculous stretch that the questioning of his fitness for office was some sort of "high-tech lynching for uppity blacks."
So which Clarence Thomas should we believe? The one who clearly lied to us in 1991 or the one who is screwing us today?

Comments conceal
castiron
June 29 2007, 11:01AM
Clarence Thomas and the Iraq War will be the most tragic legacies of Bush and his son.
Ostend Street
June 29 2007, 11:09AM
Clarence Thomas has obviously had his own Agenda even when he had a principle position with the Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Isn't it ironic that a man who was head of an agency to oversea our rights is now doing everything that he can to reverse those rights. The questions we really need to ask ourselves is "What can we do about it" and "How soon can we do something about it?" Truly this is another blow against our gains; however, unfortunately, many we see it differently and shame on them.
gs
June 29 2007, 11:13AM
Glad of the decision. Yes, it was a kick in the pants and sent black liberals in a tailspin (white liberals could care less). Maybe negroes will wake up, stop looking for the gov't to be their daddies, and start spending more money on books than they do on food & liquor.
Derrick from Philly
June 29 2007, 11:13AM
At every general election I remember people saying, "it doesn't matter whether it's a Democrat or Republican--they're both the same." The make-up of the Supreme Court and the rest of the federal judiciary is the number one reason I've voted for Democratic candidates. The Republicans always use the courts to "pacify" the right-wing racists of their party.
We just got finished discussing the Isaiah Washington affair and here again is another case of questioning what it means to be "black and loyal" or "black and disloyal" to your "own." Clarence Thomas is a real example of what some blacks accused those of us who refuse to hate white gays of being: a self-hating black man. He clearly sides with the most vile racists in the country against his own people and our history.
Nyah Molineaux
June 29 2007, 11:24AM
Keith, in 1998 I had the unfortunate encounter of meeting Clarence Thomas. I was a high school senior and my teacher arranged a trip where we would meet him.
When I met him, he talked about his marriage to a black woman and having kids with her with black sounding names. But then he talked about his marriage with a white woman (who is Bush's cousin) like it was an overall improvement.
(And I dont have anything against interracial marriage, my Aunt is White).
Clarence Thomas is a joke, and I hope a Democrat goes into the White House and change the tide of this court.
Steve
June 29 2007, 11:34AM
I'm not in favor of the court's decision, and I'm not particularly a defender of Clarence Thomas, but I do find myself wondering if 50 years of desegregated schools have really had the desired effect. Just look at our highly un-integrated cities, places like Chicago, or Dallas. Somewhere, there has to be a better answer than what we've been doing, though I have no clue what that would be. This decision is not right, but if what we are doing isn't working, we should be seeking a different strategy.
cmoney
June 29 2007, 11:51AM
Once and Uncle Tom, always an Uncle Tom. He was unqualified for the Court to begin with and we see the results. He is living proof that you cannot-and should not--judge a book by its cover.
Chris
June 29 2007, 12:33PM
I'm a frequent reader, but I rarely comment. In fact the last time I did so was around this time last year during the LIFEBeat debacle.
Ultimately, I respectfully disagree with calling Justice Thomas a liar. His comments were made in 1991; it's 16 years later. Is he not allowed to change his mind? He may not have had an agenda then to overturn Brown and other landmark decisions meant to provide redress for discrimination. Let's ask him if he has one now.
And incidentally, yesterday's decision was deplorable. Thus, in noting that I "respectfully disagree," let me stress that I disagree not with the decision rather with calling the man a liar.
I don't agree 100% with work that I've published two years ago. My thinking has necessarily been complicated given the time I've had to reflect. I'd like to extend the the same dispensation to Justice Thomas.
Chris
June 29 2007, 12:34PM
I'm a frequent reader, but I rarely comment. In fact the last time I did so was around this time last year during the LIFEBeat debacle.
Ultimately, I respectfully disagree with calling Justice Thomas a liar. His comments were made in 1991; it's 16 years later. Is he not allowed to change his mind? He may not have had an agenda then to overturn Brown and other landmark decisions meant to provide redress for discrimination. Let's ask him if he has one now.
Incidentally, yesterday's decision was undeniably deplorable. Thus, in noting that I "respectfully disagree," let me stress that I disagree not with the decision rather with calling the man a liar.
I don't agree 100% with work that I've published two years ago. My thinking has necessarily been complicated given the time I've had to reflect. I'd like to extend the the same dispensation to Justice Thomas.
Luther
June 29 2007, 12:51PM
Well if this isn't an eye opener about how the right wing plank of the GOP is getting all sorts of goodies for supporting the dimwit in office, nothing will. While, I think that if all were fair, and schools all funded the same way this sort of action would not be required. However, anybody with a semblance of a clue realizes that schools are not funded properly, and hence, not all kids get the same quality education.
My issue with Thomas is that everything he got was due to some sort of affirmative action, since he does not seem qualified to really do anything. This guy can't even comment at hearings, what sort of nonsense is that?
We had better hope that the Repugnant's don't get in office next year, if so, the boobs in black robes will get yet another right wing bigot who screeches equality and yet do not practice it. 40 years isn't enough time to heal and fix 400 years of oppression. And, if they aren't willing to give poor black kids a chance, what on earth will they do when a gay rights appears?
bubba
June 29 2007, 1:27PM
I'm with Steve. Clearly, our society can't change for the better without a push forward. But without the laws enforcing integration for the last 53 years, how will we truly know if people have gotten the point? I also think of European countries with stringent laws that prohibit gun possession of any kind, while we cling to the 2nd amendment. They've used reason to further their advancement and save lives. Quality of life is as important as having a life, so our strides in the last half century are just as meaningful. But I just want to know what everyone is lamenting? Is it a loss of ethnic diversity because of this decision, or concerns about the educational path for kids of color? Maybe both? I get the feeling that this is seen more as a black/white issue than an American issue. We should never rely on the larger society to provide us with education, though. Black academic professionals have given us the Promise Academy in Harlem, as well as higher learning institutions like Howard and Spelman.
Derrick form Philly
June 29 2007, 2:43PM
Steve and Bubba:
You make some very valid points about the history of, or failure of, trying to intergrate public schools in this country. It's just the idea of an African-American Supreme Court Justice being against one of the most important judicial rulings in the history of race-relations in this country. At the time, that ruling was like a 2nd Emancipation Proclamation, wasn't it? "The replacement for Thurgood Marshall"...Lord have mercy. Well, atleast Justice Kennedy didn't say he was totally against other efforts to desegregate. But maybe y'all are right. Other, more creative ways should be tried to improve education for African American children. You would think that in school districts where the population of public school kids are 50% to 65% black, new efforts at new techniques of educating would be attempted. But it's the fucking culture in the home and neighborhood too...aint, I mean, isn't it?
Luther
June 29 2007, 2:55PM
While I think that good schools in black neighborhoods would work wonders and help boost kids self esteem, the issue is that schools are not funded the same, and if schools are being funded with tax payers dollars, of which black folks pay, why are the schools in our neighborhoods the worst? Why is it that black parents no longer get involved? Why are black kids scoring worse than all other groups? Integration is good and who knows maybe its bad as well, but, to leave kids mired in bad schools and expect them to succeed as adults is a farce, as is this Court.
That's the problem with every Bush, they want to rid what's in place as wrong, and yet have no concrete plans to fix a still major problem, bad schools.
And, Clarence Thomas, I read part of a book about him where he was abused by "light" skinned blacks as a child, and this is his way of getting even, take it out on the poor blacks who need the help the most, this self hatred that so many blacks have is the worse sort of mental slavery around.
Chicagoangel
June 29 2007, 3:33PM
I really do not know that much about him to say he is a bad person.
But I do agree with the Supreme court. Using race as a factor to admit students is wrong. To discriminate against any race because it may not be enough or is too many is wrong. the its not fair to send kids out of the way to other schoosl for the sake of intergration. Hopefully the Supreme court won't change their minds and leaves it that way. But just wait till those dems get in there....im not a dem or gop but i see this ruling being ruined later on.
Theophilus Scales
June 29 2007, 3:33PM
I think we are a little to hard on the Justice. 4 other folks voted with him!
this makes me think about some the garbage I heard last night for hillary and the gang. We've gotta wake up and realize that each of us differ in our views, thoughts, and ideas. None of us should degrade the other person the way we too often do. I don't agree with alot of what I hear, but I shouldn't call hillary a communist skank, or barack a zebra!
the man isn't a liar because he changed his mind!
Hell 16 years ago, I was a heterosexaul pastor! So shit changes!
cmoney
June 29 2007, 3:53PM
For anyone to suggest that integration of the schools was a failure is completely ignoring the fact that the Black middle class is larger than it has ever been. Blacks attend college at a higher rate than Whites (yes it's true) and college enrollment for Blacks is higher than it has ever been. We keep focusing on the bad statistics, like the incarceration rate (newsflash: it's ALWAYS been high for Blacks), while ignoring all the millions of success stories around us. Resegregating the schools, as this ruling would permit, is the absolute worst response to the failures of some school systems. Clarence Thomas is worthy of scorn because he personally benefited from the desegregation of higher education and now is denying that same opportunity to others. He never objected to it when he was at Yale or when he worked for the government. Now it's a problem? He's a lying piece of shit and you know it. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Jennifer
June 29 2007, 4:40PM
Not only is Clarence Thomas the problem, we have to deal with 2 recently appointed Supreme Court Justices for the rest of their LIFE (Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito) who will continue to keep their antiquated and conservative views in the forefront.
I pray Justice Stevens will be alive until Bush is out of office and hopefully a liberal will be elected as President.
My anger for Clarence Thomas ended years ago when I realized he despises himself and his race. He is a mirror image in thought of Scalia. Even talking about him is a waste of time because he is a lost cause.
Please keep blogging!! Your voice is needed, Keith!!
FredinLA
June 29 2007, 4:47PM
If only Thurgood had been able to hang in there a little longer, Clinton would've been in office to appoint his replacement. oh well
Obviously at this point we need to figure out other ways to give everyone access to quality education. But parents and communities have to take more ownership themselves.
David
June 29 2007, 4:56PM
We've gone from Thurgood to no good.
Kyon Saucier
June 29 2007, 6:03PM
Clarence Thomas... Uncle Tom...Clarence Thomas... Uncle Tom...Anyone else see a connection?
Jose
June 29 2007, 6:06PM
Thanks jennifer! So true, he hates his blackness and is determined to make the rest of the world suffer.
I don't think that either school used race as a sole factor, it was part of the whole equation, and I guess I don't see whats wrong with that, since in just about everything in this country, from getting a home loan to a car loan, to getting a credit card, to getting a job has some element of race used. They say it does not, but, anyone with a clue knows that a zip code tells all banks need to know.
These schools that they have deemd illegal were all quite diverse and had excellent teachers and programs, and when the white kids could not get into the best schools in town, they let the world know they were ticked, sued and knew they would win with the new "race blind" kangaroo court.
And this job for life is scary,with Thomas and Alioto who in every case that has had a black or Latino plantiff, they have said NOPE.
Think this is a good idea, think again.....
Mitch
June 29 2007, 6:29PM
The gangsta thugs who are shooting and killing in our communities like it's going out of style are "Clarence" UNCLE TOMS, too. Our homicide rates are worse than several third world countries combined!
Kwesi
June 29 2007, 7:03PM
FredinLa stated, "Obviously at this point we need to figure out other ways to give everyone access to quality education. But parents and communities have to take more ownership themselves."
So True! I am not a Clarence Thomas fan as well. But if the actions of the Supreme Court will negatively affect our young sistas and brothas, we must step up to the plate to "take care of the village". We can NOT depend on the government.
Jose
June 29 2007, 8:26PM
Kwesi, of course no one should depend on the government for anything,even though they will "help" others around the globe but, not at home, however as taxpayers, don't black and Latino kids deserve a quality education? That's not being dependant, that's part of living in the modern civilized world. Its not asking for handout, which some are mistaking this for.
Bush came up with "the no child left behind" great idea, but, without funding it does not work. No one wants to send a kid across town on a hour or more bus ride, but, with no funding, that seems to be the only way to get poor kids, and that includes poor white ones, a proper education to compete in the global economy.
cmoney
June 29 2007, 8:41PM
Public education is not a "handout". ALL children in the United States are entitled to a free, quality public education. For some reason, it is a handout or "depending on the government" when Black families demand the same entitlement that White families get for their kids. Demanding quality public schools is not even close to depending on the government or a handout. So, when White parents demand that their kids go to a certain school in their neighborhood, are they asking for a handout or depending on the government or are they just exercising their rights? Let's stop mimicking the right wing hate speech and stereotypes about Blacks everytime Black people demand that the government be as accountable to them just as it is to Whites.
CWilliams
June 29 2007, 8:44PM
You know I kind of feel bad for the guy. Clarence Thomas once described his life as a justice as very lonely. I bet most of his life could be described that way. Though I have never read a bio on him (nor do I care to), I bet he struggles with his Black identity in a white world. Instead of dealing with the pressure that he feels from the outside world, rightly or not, he has codified this anti-Black ideology as a way of proving his authenticity as a Black man, who I might add, has been repeatedly raised in status because of white guilt and affirmative action. I wish this guy would go on Oprah and let Dr Robin have a go at him!
C.Lee
June 29 2007, 9:49PM
You ask which one to believe? I say believe the present day Clarence Thomas. The one with the job for life where he does not have to answer to anyone... ever!
cward![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.keithboykin.com/blog2/nav-commenters.gif)
June 29 2007, 10:13PM
I have been reading these posts and I am in Seattle area teacher with the impact of the decision in my face as the new school year starts in September.
Here are my questions to the group:
What is a quality school?
What components are there? What components are absent?
What does student involvement look like? What are these qualities?
What does parent involvement look like? What are these qualities?
What are the qualifications of the teachers?
I have been a teacher for 17 years (Chicago-Southside and Seattle) and this "idea" of quality school is tossed around repeatedly so here I am asking a simple question.
yeahisaidit
June 29 2007, 11:29PM
...ironically it was a Black mother who got this particular case rolling in protest of her son being bussed "all the way to Timbucktu" (her words) to a white school and out of their neighrborhood one were she felt he was doing fine...not that there's anything between the lines to read into this, except maybe that if it were the other way around and whites at the heart of the case with bussing complaints the racial elements of the situation might have appeared more typical...it seems the cases the high court chooses to hear tend to fit into whatever
agenda or precedent they may desire to set and attempt to steer the country toward...meh...
jas
June 29 2007, 11:36PM
well a quality school is definitely one that is diverse and helps give equal opportunities to people. and all (or most) politicians are liars either way it seems.
what really pisses me off though is when certain white privileged people start complaining about being discriminated against - and i've heard it several times. what roberts wrote is complete bullshit, this whole policy was a counter-measure against the discrimination that goes on, not actually discrimination in itself! how can you discriminate against someone who is comparatively privelaged already?
Steve
June 30 2007, 2:02AM
jas: I agree. The privileged white often send their kids to private school, then bitch because of the cost, and that the government doesn't support that school. That's what the voucher program is all about. That, and getting to send their kid to some fucked up church version of school that will teach creation instead of evolution, and, oh by the way, doesn't allow anyone who isn't white and rich.
When I say the past 50 years have been a failure, what I mean is that we still have huge divisions in our country between the races. While many have made significant progress, one would expect, in 50 years(!) to see more advancement if school integration was truly the panacea, or even just an important element. Since we still have the great ethnic divide, I have to question whether school integration, ON IT'S OWN, is the answer.
cward![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.keithboykin.com/blog2/nav-commenters.gif)
June 30 2007, 10:24AM
Clarence Thomas is not Mr. Marshall and he does not have to be.
Did people follow the case from 2000 until now?
Have you read the entire case?
Do you trust an internet blogger to supply you with information?
Some of you are simply reacting to a little "biased blurb" by Keith that does not even come close to telling you the entire Supreme Court case. This is a typical case of "reactive" and not "proactive" which is a cancerous disease in the black community.
Issues can not be contained and explained on a “biased” blog it requires more of a commitment to read the clear truth (Supreme Court cases take time for a reason) and then you can decide for yourself; instead of allowing yourself to be influenced into a viewpoint that may not be your own if you knew the entire story!
Let's get back into reading an issue from the beginning and not just the end bits that cause us to react.
cward![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.keithboykin.com/blog2/nav-commenters.gif)
June 30 2007, 10:55AM
Here is a fact for you: one of the major aspects of the lawsuit in Seattle involved black students that did not want to go to an “all white” high school, they want to be at their neighborhood high schools with the majority being Black and Hispanic.
The Seattle School District was attempting to even out the racial numbers .Yes, it was a longer school bus ride but students were not taking the city bus unless by choice. All Seattle Schools have excellent facilities, teachers and materials.
The Black parents and students were outraged at this decision and initially filed suit that Seattle Public Schools was using race to move students. White parents soon chimed in and said; “hey we will support you if that is what you want”. It was never a case of this school has better equipment or teachers it was a matter of keeping “friends”.
The Supreme Court stepped in and a decision was made; it was the “black" community here in Seattle that assisted with the undermining of “Brown vs. Board” not just the whites.
cmoney
June 30 2007, 10:57AM
cward: Some of us are attorneys, just like Keith. We are fully aware of Clarence Thomas' agenda. Of course, anyone with half a brain can see the man is mentally ill and hates his own kind. He is not applying the lawor the Constitution as it is written. He, along with his right wing racist soulmates (Alito, Roberts and Scalia) are manipulating case law and facts to serve a particular agenda that is not in the best interests of this country and certainly not in the best interests of minorities. But you are right about one thing: Clarence Thomas is no Thurgood Marshall--and he never COULD be! That would require intelligence, knowledge of the law and a soul.
Jose
June 30 2007, 11:57AM
cmoney, I agree, he is definitely battling some sort of mental illness for his hatred of black people. And, cward,I applaud you for being a teacher, I don't know if you are male or female, or even black, but, its commendable that people will stay in the teaching profession for small pay and nothing but knocks.
As for the black parents not wanting their kids to be bused, good for them and I can understand their concern, but, when that kid can't pass a standard reading test and gets the lowest marks of all races in math, I wonder if they will be so vocal? Somehow I doubt it, since as I found out with my Mom and my little brother who was one of the "gifted" black kids at a school with about a 10% black student body, she was always the only one along with my dad who showed up for anything.
And this judgeship for life needs to be abolished, with the ilk of Roberts, Alioto, who has a record of being anti-black/Hispanic anything, and the demented Thomas, we are in for 30 years of hell.
cward![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.keithboykin.com/blog2/nav-commenters.gif)
June 30 2007, 2:08PM
Thank you Jose for you kind words and vote of confidence, I am a black male.
Yes, I stay in the profession of teaching because I can and do say things to parents that evoke a response and address their responsibility to their child's education. Sadfully, these responses are primarily directed at black parents who do not participate in the educational system but complain and cry racism when "Frank" can not play football due to failing grades. I directly challenge them to their accountability; now this has caused some problems (letters in my personal file) but the good has been tremendous.
I personally condemned the Seattle Public School for attempting to racially, culturally and economically balance their schools.
cward![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.keithboykin.com/blog2/nav-commenters.gif)
June 30 2007, 3:00PM
Some black students and parents think if a white teacher does not let them go to the bathroom = racism. It is sad but true. I have seen and heard black students/parents claiming racism of a white teacher due to various selfish factors. Many white teachers do not know how to defend themselves against these unprovoked and unproven attacks because the “black community” conditions them to be “wrong” no matter what and these teachers/school districts give in providing no educational or societal benefit to the child and/or parent.
The black community needs to understand that screaming racism about Isaiah Washington’s contract non-renewal diminishes the racial impact of the Supreme Court's regarding education. Everything can not be racism or racist; sorry it is not that simple; my strong opinion!
The entire nation needs to get back and really start looking at what is “racist” or “racism” and what is “bias" they are clearly different.
chicagoangel
June 30 2007, 4:05PM
there was also a white mother who joined the suit because the school would not let her son be transfered because he spent 90 minutes round trip to school everyday and there are 2 closer schools to his house. the school told her he needs to stay because of the racial balance. bullcrap!
Im glad the court struck this down and gives the parents a choice of where their children can go, or leave if they want to. its not a schools fault if its in a mostly black, latino, or white area. just go to school to get an education. don't ship kids around for the basis of racial balance and desegregation, it should not be forced.
Kwesi
June 30 2007, 4:23PM
Jose,
You're right. We are entitled to some government assistance because we are taxpayers. We've paid for it already any way. However, are we not able to provide a quality education for our kids if the gov't fails to do so? Are we not capable of producing teachers from our own communities who truly cares about the education and welfare of our kids, as well as the future of our people? If we pool our resources together, are we not capable of giving our kids quality as well as quantity. I solely believe we can.
I personally know of people who are starting their own schools to educate our young sistas and brothas. Just because they might not have full gov't assistance does not mean that those kids won't get a quality education. My dream is to also do the same thing these people are doing. Educating our current & future generation is vital to the survival of our people, and you better believe any kid I teach, they will get a quality education if they're willing to learn.
J.D.
June 30 2007, 4:58PM
I think the problem with this case is that the ruling may be fine for schools in Seattle, but this is absolutely not the case in schools in the Southeast.
I graduated from an Atlanta high school 8 yrs ago and I was bused to a predominantly white high school on a program known as "Majority to Minority." Could I have gone to the high school closest to me? Yes, it was two minutes away. Would I have gotten an education? Yes. But I would not have been challenged unless it was by my own motivation or some teacher took me under their wing. There is no coincidence that in Atlanta's Fulton County School system that the average test scores decrease as one moves from mostly white Marietta and Roswell down to the minority filled areas of East Point and College Park.
Basically, all that to say that I don't think that I would be where I am now (college graduate from a Top 20 school) if I had not had the opportunity to be bused to school based upon the facts that my school wanted to be more diverse.
Jose
June 30 2007, 6:28PM
Good deal cward, a black man in the class room to present positive images to kids! I read a while back that the classrooms are filled with fewer and fewer men, and eve fewer teachers of color, so hang in there!
Kwesi, well, to a point I agree, the issue I have is now that the "charter" schools are popping up all over he place, and most can get by without the same stringent polices of Bush's poorly funded no child left behind program are taking money from public schools. And, the same white parents who are jumping up and down over this ruling will now sue, and win to have tax dollars pay for their "religious" schools,while staying lilly white.
That said, if they don't want integration, make the playing field level with equal tax dollars and the same standards, and stop with the lower expectations of black and Latin kids. Latin kids have the highest drop out rates around, and need to be spurred on in an intergrated system where they are challenged to stay in school via diversity.
Ostend Street
June 30 2007, 11:48PM
So, I am to understand that this one incident in Seattle ( and possibly some other place) ended up in the Supreme Court and a decision was made that can have an impact for years on the entire school districts all across the nation. Well, isn't that playing right into the hands of thos who would want to change or tear down Brown vs the Board of Education anyway. Why didn't they just settle the issue in Seattle since the problem was in Seattle or wherever else it was. There is nothing that convinces me that this is for the greater good at all. I am sorry, I don't feel enlightened by this decision at all and I don't excuse the Uncle Tom on the bench. Keith thanks for all of your insights. I appreciate them and look forward to reading more. Keep giving them to us.
Don
July 1 2007, 6:51AM
J.D. & Ostend Street, both of you hit it right on the head for me. Cward I can understand your sentiment, living in Seattle and all but this decision (for the rest of the country) is a disaster. Calling Keith's comments "biased blurb" is awfully strong considering that unlike Seattle, most city school systems struggle & are not fortunate enough to have "excellent facilities, teachers, & materials". Clarence Thomas, as lacking as he is in so many areas & on so many levels, is smart enough to know this, he knows that in many areas of this country if black students are not allowed to attend schools outside of their district they won't have a chance. This is what makes him such a backstabber, HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE'S DOING, HE KNOWS WHO WILL BENEFIT & WHO WILL SUFFER & HE DOESN'T GIVE A HORSES ASS.
Eric
July 1 2007, 7:43AM
Hey, I added you to my blogroll. Could you take a look and see if my site is worthy to be on your roll? :-)
Chris
July 1 2007, 10:25AM
Let's get this thing together. First of all education starts at home with the parents, black people have children too young and due to my personal experience all I hear is "I can't wait until so and so turn's 18". Some black do not put their children education first. They don't raise there kids to to be leaders. In the hood it seems to be cute to raise a thug, or a backetball-football player. Not a Dr. Black parent need to stop singing and dancing and step up to the plate and start reading to their children and stop giving young black boys toys and later the latest 50 cent cd, or a new pair of Jordan's. And start giving them book, and every resource's to learn math and science...
ToddyEnglish
July 1 2007, 11:50AM
Clarence "Uncle" Thomas strikes again. Well, it won't be long before Roe V. Wade is overturned, mark my words.
I've always found Thomas to be a malignant scab on the @$$ of the black community. Now, he isn't even pretending to give a damn about his own group. On that note, honestly, I think this is for the better. When Martin Luther King called for equality he did mean forced busing to white neighborhoods. He meant that we should have equally school programs and equal education. The forced integration did not help anything. To quote Chris Rock, "White people like they black people like their seasoning...just a dash." The minute more than ten or eleven black students began enrolling in their schools the more they began to flee. Then those schools turned "black" and became under funded. Well, I want to know what happened when WE had our own communities and our own schools that churned out top level students? We need to get back to that and quit depending on a white influence to better our lives.
Troy
July 1 2007, 3:03PM
Just be thankful we're not reading about that overplayed piece of toast named Isiah Washington.
As we speak I'm dialing Perle Vision Center to send ole thom a catalog of it's newest frames.
Lonnie
July 1 2007, 3:23PM
he like many blacks in this country need some self esteem. he is 91% in agreement with Scalia? that speaks volumes as to his lack of knowledge of the law, and his pure hatred for the people. his appointment was a joke as he got in because he was black, they all know he is not qualifed, but, he is there for life to torment blacks and the poor with his nazi ideals. no justice at the so called suprme court unless you are a rich white man or a huge company, a waste of time for the rest of us.
as for the iw snip, maybe all those who are so irked and now so empowered need to go after ann coulter, far worse and has way more power to torment and make the lives of gays horible with her cruel words uttered on a daily basis.
and for the bro who teaches, great to see a black man in the classroom! i never had a black male as a teacher, and its a good thing for kids to see it.
Moran
July 1 2007, 7:51PM
Before we get too ahead of ourselves:
This article is not quite accurate. It was a 5-4 judgment, not opinion. Only 4 justices agreed with the opinion. The difference is crucial. All the decision did was strike down the 2 plans in question. Kennedy agreed with the judgment, but not the opinion. His concurrence stated that schools may take race into consideration in school assignments if they have a compelling interest in diversity. Therefore, I don't think this decision absolutely forecloses the possibility of seeking integrated schools.
Kwesi
July 1 2007, 9:37PM
I hear ya, ToddyEnglish! Just imagine if we had several thousand Marva Collins to start their own schools and many more magnet schools like Chick Elem. in Kansas City for our young folk. Check out their success rates. I don't know why folk are associating "quality education" with integrated schools or government intervention. We don't need Clarence Uncle-Thomas, Pres. Bush, etc.
alicia banks
July 2 2007, 3:26AM
ditto keith
i have loathed ct since day one!
see much more on ct at my site
and i have added a great new book that exposes ct...penned by two bros..."supreme discomfort"
see:
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/CLARENCE-THOMAS.htm
peace
ab
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