Rev. Willie Wilson Outed

James Johnson
July 18 2005, 2:47PM

I can't believe this. Well, I guess I can. How dare he preach against us. This man doesn't have a biology degree. He obviously dosn't have education in physchology. Women making more money then brothers is causing a problem? Women making more money it making women turn to Lesbianism. He not only disrespected same gender loving people. He disrespected his entire community. How dare he!? I guess it's like Keith said. Because we allow it. I'm sure the gays and lesbians that attend there probably won't speak against this openly or in secret. They will continue supporting this ministry with their presence and finances. I'm surprised the Women haven't said anything about this. I know pleanty of women that make high salaries....and the majority of this aren't attracted to women! Maybe his son is the ugly one...I don't know. I guess the Elder would have the African Women who are and have been keeping our community afloat for centuries stop working and stay home and wait for Tyrone to grown up and be a man. This is out rageous. Anytime some needs to use grease...
Last time I checked, KY-Jelly wasn't made or originated for homosexual men. I would quest where this minister recieved his theological training...and I believe we as Africans need to start doing this more. You can follow anyone with a booming voice and a tamberine! Because once you get under that...there needs to be some substance!

Devin Davenport
July 18 2005, 2:47PM

I absolutely will not remain silent. I will be neither silent on issues of black religious homophobia nor shall I be silent on issues of black mysogny; of which this reverend's sermon reaks.

The comments about income disparities between women and men and their connection to 'lesbianism' is both hilarious and preposterous and could have only come from the anti-intellectualist, anachronistic harangues of a demasculinized heathen.

The challenge for the black new millenium is to challenge our community to reject the mind-murdering caused by our reliance upon black religiousity.

As a community, we ought to attempt to embrace modernism, modernity and to let go of antiquated notions of blackness, gender and God. We need no longer rely upon the sweaty preacher and his fiery dramatics and the childish superstitions about which he cries.

Its important that LGBT folks, academics, culture creators push the boundaries of blackness by introducing new and viable ways of being which allow our connections to blackness to remain intact, but which help our community evolve -ideologically, intellectually, politically and spiritually. We must no longer stand idly by while rhetorical scorpions denegrate our values and our potential- we must take up the cause of progressivity and start at home.

Cool
July 18 2005, 2:53PM

My first reaction Keith, is why give such foolish crassness your time of day?

This guy is ignorant.

But, that's what Jews said in Nazi Germany. (Don't fool your self into believing these people ain't capable)

So Keith, I challenge you. (I hope you read this) You're one of the few people with the clout to organize a SGL individuals' March for Dignity and Respect. I'm not taking about the outlandishness we see at Gay Prides. Those have there place.

But a gathering that challenges every gay man and woman to step out from under the shadows of fear and shame. To stand up courageously to bigotry and hatred. To draw a line in the sand and say we're simply are not going to take anyone's rhetorical bullshyt anymore!!!

I would be there and make sure everyone I knew was there too.

It's important.

It's time.

Kola Boof
July 18 2005, 3:00PM

#1---Why can't his SON date a woman who is UGLY?

Perhaps it's that kind of shallow thinking among so many men that makes SOME FEMALES insecure and turn away from the "standards" that SOME MEN set.

The bottom line is this:

I do notice in the Black community---an abundance of Black women who are not gay...yet don't have many romantic prospects....trying to pass themselves as gay so that they can date and have a romantic social life.

I have seen that quite a bit here in California especially---where the overwhleming majority of Straight Black Men will not date a black woman---because she's BLACK. They demand she be mixed or bi-racial, and they usually dump their mixed/biracial girlfriends for LATINAS, Asians, White girls, etc.

This reality, of course, has yet to be spoken about in public by anybody else but me.

But it's true...there are many Black women who are trying to pretend to be Lesbians just so they can know love/intimacy and romantic experience. I get letters from THESE WOMEN more than any others.

Kola Boof

Kola Boof
July 18 2005, 3:07PM

And by the way....

I think Rev. Willie Wilson is dumb-as-dirt...an IDIOT...

JOHN
July 18 2005, 3:35PM

This PIMP! That is what I refer to ministers whom exploit and exercise spiritual extortion on their members. We have the power to dethrone and disarm our homophobic counterparts. We just need to to confront and hold out. Do not support friends and family whom remain silent while black gays men and women are being reduced to lowest common denominator.We take on the financial irresponsibilities that our heterosexuals friends and family members fall short. We are a blessing at the point. Our money and support are not to UNGODLY for these Self righteous P I M P S to exploit us. We have to hold out financially that is the key and honest and openly challenge them and let their Homophobic behavior pick up the check. Our money is our support. Its our money we should use to help not to destroy us.

SmilingonthaDL
July 18 2005, 3:54PM

WOW! When I visit DC, Union Temple is the main church I attend. Thanks for the info.

Keith, maybe you can start a campaign requesting Rev. Wilson to step down as Executive Director of the Million Man March.

Marlon
July 18 2005, 4:02PM

Succinctly, ahhh… I hate those imbecilic theist fucks! They bash – I Bash Back! Keith, thanks for Willie’s contact info - I’ll make good use of it.

Marlon
July 18 2005, 4:21PM

Direct calls to Wilson are directed to his assistant Toni Stevenson. The Punk won't talk to me!

tonistevenson@uniontemple.com

She confirmed that the church website is temporarily down.

Troy
July 18 2005, 4:27PM

How super easy it is...
to get a license from 'downtown' start preaching and get your own flock...
and just how super easy it is to be and stay silent while it all falls down around you...
but the really easy part is participating and nodding in all types of poisonous churches while you know full damn well, God is love and Love is for EVERYONE including bad preachers named Willie.
Lesbians Rock! Get over it curley!

Andre Bush
July 18 2005, 6:06PM

We as black gay black people have been "out" in the black church for years. Everyone knows and to be honest, no one cares. We pay our tithes and offerings, sing, direct the choir, play instruments and usually organize events the best. This attitude is just more rhetoric and brain washing from "white america" aka Evangelicals...teaching us to hate each other and wanting us to take on their agenda.

If we ever as a race could accept each other for the positive things we do in our lives and not for who we choose to sleep with, we would be much better off. Unfortunately, I dont see this happening because we cant seem to think for ourselves.

Mel Smith
July 18 2005, 6:10PM

Our ignorance and the lack of respect we have for one another hurts us more than color prejudice. We can't participate in the fight against AIDS and attack each other with silly rhetoric.

Rev. Wilson argument is easy to dismantle. It's obvious that it takes one male and one female to create life. But, that does not mean that everyone creates life. Some heterosexuals don't have kids. The brother speaks loud and his flock of sheep goes bananas. Rev. Wilson fails to mention that heterosexuals don't always have sex to produce and that plenty of straights also have anal sex. Everyone just don't have sex to produce life. We also have sex for sexual pleasure. I appreciate Kola Boof's statement.

Bklynbro
July 18 2005, 6:38PM

The outrageous thing of all is that Wilson's church has many Black gay male members who are not saying or doing anything about it. SHAME!!!!!!!!

Keith, why are you not calling those brothers out!

DB
July 18 2005, 8:28PM

Keith:

Nothing more to be said other than this sermon is typical and it's ridiculous. It's sad that this is the only topic he could find to preach about.

cmoney
July 18 2005, 8:28PM

This story makes me even more proud to be an INFIDEL. I honestly don't understand why these queens even go to these churches and pay to be patronized and put down. On second thought--this guy seems to know a lot about kinky sex with his intimate knowledge of strap ons (Maybe his wife wears one when she does him). So that's why they keep going back church!! Hmmm.

Wesley
July 18 2005, 10:06PM

Women making more money than brothas is the cause of lesbanism? Wow. And this man has a Master of Divinity from Howard? Doesn't say too much about Howard's divinity program other than any imbicile can throw on a frock and attract a church full of idiots who can't throw their money at him fast enough every Sunday morning. Listening to this "sermon" was sickening. I guess I missed my calling.

Guess Who
July 18 2005, 11:47PM

In summary, just becuase a pastor is speaking against a certain act does not mean he/she is homophobic or angry with the gay community. We have to restore and support pastors to lead us, guide us and render the truth, even if it hurts to hear it! Many times we seek everyone to accept us in our decadent state and sin; we simply need to yield and allow God to do his will and stop fighting God. We have to fight to get free in some instances to overcome certain obstacles that plague our soul.

Kola Boof
July 19 2005, 1:27AM

But what you're laying down...."GUESS WHO".....is NOT the truth.

Every girl in your son's classroom is not a lesbian.

Black women do not choose lesbianism because it's "IN" or it's a "FAD"----those ones that I know of and receive letters from telling me that black boys don't date black girls OR...are not offering "love/companionship/friendship" and therefore convince themselves that they are lesbians......are searching for love and acceptance.

You're a terrible Pastor and you need to stop fronting about what you stand for. You hate gay people and you know it.

All you want is money and political position THROUGH gay people...to pimp the gay community the shame way your organization pimps Black America.

I myself I am not the most "popular person"--but at least I tell people what I really think and have taken the criticism for being an all around Black BEOYTCH.

Your shyster, sorry no-preaching behind has the GULL to come in here posting that mess and expecting people to buy it.

I have a feeling you won't be in that cushy position too long.

And your SON is probably a peanut brain A-hole just like you.

That's why he gets no PUZZY.

Kola Boof
July 19 2005, 1:31AM

Guess Who....aka....Rev. Willie Wilson

Why don't you let GOD speak for [SHIM-self] and sit your fat, bloated sexist behind down!

Men like you make me not even believe in GOD sometimes!

taylorSiluwé
July 19 2005, 3:43AM

Well, the good Reverend said one thing right, two screws don't make a connection ... but throw in four nuts and it works quite nicely.

And Devin Davenport, you summed it up better than anyone could ... the man is fool.

But the situation also frightens me. They cheered. They actually cheered. What does that say about the church ... and those who blindly follow its leaders like lemmings? What does that say about people who allegedly follow Jesus' credo of love, yet applaud hate?

Descendents of slaves should know better than to discriminate. But we don't. It seems we are just as ignorant as when we spent our days in the hot sun picking cotton for free, mumbling to a God who must have been busy doing other things.

The Reverend, and his brethren, are an example of a archaic system (which was never about salvation but money) that should be quietly put down like the mangy mongrel it is.

jaymillionaire
July 19 2005, 6:34AM

Guess WHO wrote,"In summary, just becuase a pastor is speaking against a certain act does not mean he/she is homophobic or angry with the gay community."

Let's go over again what the good Reverend said:

In indicating an inherent "problem" with homosexuality: "Now, can I talk here? I ain’t homophobic, because everybody in here got something wrong with him. Whoever you point at, you can point at your own self. You got something wrong with your life. But when you get down to this thing, women falling down on another woman, strapping yourself up with something, it ain’t real. That thing ain’t got no feeling in it. It ain’t natural."

Using graphic and prejudicial descriptions to shock his audience: "Any time somebody got to slap some grease on your behind, and stick something in you, it’s something wrong with that. Your butt ain’t made for that. [Audience shouts and yells its approval in the background.] You got blood vessels and membranes in your behind. And if you put something unnatural in there, it breaks them all up. No wonder your behind is bleeding. It’s destroying us. "

Guess Who, I am trying with all my being to participate in some respectful illuctionary discourse with you --I'm trying hard not to call you an idiot -- real hard.

Charles Ward
July 19 2005, 11:50AM

I have shared the following as response to another topic and I feel some of the same points can be made here...

1- Now I admit that the following is a generalization: Many Blacks fear God, and I have always stated to many people, where did that secular religion come from...Slaves in the early 18th and 19th century were given that religion in order to show them that slavery and ones place in life was a part of the Bible, God’s master plan as a part of a good and just life. I have never prescribed to such as the missionaries of the past and today throughout Africa and South America have taken it upon themselves to introduce and inflict their propaganda to the masses...look at the rise of Catholicism in Africa, that’s right Catholics in Africa…with South America conquered it was time to move on to this place of AIDS and poor infrastructure...”I will trade you good drinking water and AIDS medication for your soul, that is exactly what is going on...

2- The Black church is a meeting place for many and it is a place for much ill behavior from those at the pulpit and in the pews…I remember growing up in the projects of Chicago Robert Taylor Homes, the largest housing projects in the world…going to church with my family, my mother would place here meager money from Public Aid in the basket and pray for a better life as the minister and his wife drove a fancy car and NEVER ever once offered a food drive, GED classes, money management seminars or anything to enrich the community…the church was only open on Sunday and sat during the week unless there was a paid event…at 10 years old I announced that I would not be attending church because I felt that it was not helping our poor and desperate community…How many black churches out there offer these things to its membership? I sincerely hope that it has changed for the better…

3-As I have written before the black community as with any community is its worst enemy. We are no longer all down trodden with poverty and lack education therefore it is possible and somewhat permissible to walk over those who are. We do not look back at others with compassion and understanding. We tend to be more materialistic than most other ethnic groups; these petty ways can destroy a greater sense of self that needs to be examined in order to operate in this world…

Richard J. Rosendall
July 19 2005, 12:30PM

Kudos to those who are standing up against the ignorance and viciousness coming from Rev. Wilson's pulpit. WOL radio host Joe Madison, AKA the "Black Eagle," also deserves credit for having Philip Pannell on his program to talk about the issue, and subsequently defending his decision to do so and deciding to air the audio of Wilson's July 3 sermon on the air.

Wilson angrily denounced those who publicized his sermon, as if Christian sermons, in which ministers are supposed to be spreading the Good News, are meant to be kept secret. This complaint by Wilson is particularly ludicrous considering that his church sells recordings of his sermons, which is why the Blade was able to obtain the recording in the first place (after someone made the recording available to them).

I just hope that folks do not get their hopes too high regarding Minister Farrakhan. I have one of his books in which he says that all a sister needs to do to turn her to the right path (meaning heterosexuality) is for a strong black man to guide her. I would love to see him say that to the face of my friend Carlene. But aside from the prospects of changing Farrakhan's mind, it is great to see my black brothers and sisters standing up and using the controversy over Wilson's sermon as a teaching moment.

Troy
July 19 2005, 1:31PM

Oh yeah Department 101--the other hillarious part of this is asking Keith to be some sort of Pied Piper of a movement to de-throne ole funky rev. Willie and his ilk.
Stop the madness, if you yourself won't finally speak up about something other than a club or a party then all the Keith Boykin's in the world won't make a bit of damn difference.
Forget marches and DC and labels, be there for yourself for a change.
It takes more than just Keith Boykin if you really want things to change. It takes me and YOU.

Kola Boof
July 19 2005, 1:33PM

Joe Madison "The Black Eagle" is a good friend of mines---I've been on his show several times---and he is an even GREATER human being than has been described on this board.

He's a true black hero.

Farrakhan and Willie Wilson can't even be named in the same breath with Joe Madison.

Richard J. Rosendall
July 19 2005, 3:17PM

One of the wonderful things about Joe Madison is that he personally went to southern Sudan to rescue people from slavery. That's walking the walk.

Update on the Willie Wilson story: Bruce Johnson of WUSA-TV 9 reported last night that the recording of the July 3 sermon obtained by the Blade had been secretly taped. I talked to Blade reporter Lou Chibbaro today and he said this is not true. He had to return the CD that had been loaned to him and the Blade, but it was a professional looking CD with the imprint of the church and an illustration on it. It had been purchased from Union Temple Baptist Church. Since it is unlikely that Bruce Johnson would have made this up, it is likely that he was told this by Rev. Wilson or one of Wilson's associates. Which suggests that Wilson is continuing to dig his heels in.

Lou also tells me that Councilmember Marion Barry, who is set to meet this evening with LGBT community members, is standing behind his old friend Rev. Wilson and saying it was all just a misunderstanding. That's hard to square with what we already know.

Richard J. Rosendall
July 19 2005, 4:23PM

I was just talking with Philip Pannell, and he says Marion Barry was on Channel 9 news last night saying that there is no need for a Wilson apology since his comments were a response to his son's inability to obtain a prom date. Oh dear God. So it wasn't bad enough to make insulting and ignorant comments about ugly girls -- now Marion defends it. Aargh!

It is hard to believe that people are willing to speak such foolishness on camera.

Troy
July 19 2005, 5:14PM

Aint no need for Tyler Perry and his crew and movies, we finally got the real life version of a true but dark comedy wrapped in the cross and calling itself Reverend.
All because his loser of a son couldn't get a date!
But wait, checkout bruthacode's blog, it'll having you really gettin' happy:
http://bruthacode.blogspot.com/

Robby1
July 19 2005, 6:00PM

Once again we bear witness to the lunacy that has become the black church. Refusing to grow and expand their limited theologies based on fear, hate, and seperation. Regardless of how many 20,000 seat mega churches they build unless there is a change in some of the rhetoric there will be no growth. Sometimes I am ashamed to be a minister, but for the truth of God and the salvation of Jesus Christ the church as a whole would be a relic of the past. Because of preachers like rev. Willie there are thousands of black gays and lesbians that have given up on God and spirituality. All I want to know is how many prepubescent, recently discovering, struggling gay and lesbian youth were sitting in that congregation that day,listening to that hate speak and absorbing those cheers and "amens" and accepting the rejection. How many of those kids internalized the hate and went home that night to contemplate suicide. We (adults) know how ignorant they are and how they take the truth of God and twist it into a weapon of destruction. We know the truth but how many of us didnt learn that lesson until later in life? The black church has aided in the mental dysfunction of the black gay and lesbian community. The shame and the guilt coupled with self hate leads us to dark closets, irresponsible sexual acting out, alcoholism, drug abuse, devaluing relationships, and low self esteem. It all starts with one ignorant sermon from one ignorant minister that has the whole church believing that he has been inspired by God!!!! nigga' please!!!

Mel Smith
July 19 2005, 6:54PM

We receive the same animosity of hate from a lot of blacks in our community because of our sexual orientation and we also deal with color prejudice from some idiots outside our communities. We're "f@gg@ts" in our community and prejudice folks call us, "n@gg@rs" and "f@gg@ts" outside of it. Keith loves his blackness more than a lot of the black straight/gay homophobes. I think we face more challenges from people in our community than we do because of color prejudice. Like every other oppressed group, we're finally challenging prejudice and we are receiveing a backlash from the dominate forces- straight people.

Look, they're not really cool with allowing us to participate in the march because some of them think we play a role in the destruction of the black community. Some of them smile in our faces and talk behind our backs. We need to have a dialogue with people who have something against us. We must defend who we are from a social, religious, and educational point. They point to passages in the bible to justify their argument against us. But, racists also point to the bible to justify their hatred and every other person who hates have. In reality, we're the favorite social group to hate today. We're in a dangerous situation because people are trying to make their ignorance and hate against us into laws. Please visit liberalslikechrist.org. The site have issues ranging from slavery, democrats, republicans, homosexuality, curruption, and countless other information. Trust me, you can use this site to help defend yourself against ignorance and evil.

Nyah Molineaux
July 19 2005, 7:26PM

The reason why Willie Wilson is so homophobic is because he is one. I heard from a guy that in the 80's he would visit and have sex with prisioners. Probably that is the reason why he is so qualified in making gay sex statements.

a brotha named Sharif
July 19 2005, 11:22PM

Hearing these words come out of Rev.Wilson mouth do not surprise me, alot of so called straight men that are in the black churches have the same opinion, probably because deep down inside they would like to have sex with men and is to worried about what others will say, so they hide their true feelings, deep down they envy gay men because gay men stand up for themselves and is damn proud of who they are. It really puzzles me how such men (So called saved black church going men)can say they are saved and is spreading the word of the gospel but turn around and spread so much hate,and judge people when they are not suppose to according to the bible, hell no one is suppose to eat pork, steal, lie, and commit adultery but people do and you don't see anybody jumping on none of those issues. I guess that is one of the reasons why I am a Buddhist because I don't see why what happens in someones bedroom have to do with me or anyone else for that matter or be part of a religion that doesn't want you.

Guess Who
July 19 2005, 11:30PM

We must put aside our finite views and ask expostulated questions concerning this issue, could Pastor Willie Wilson comments be correct? Just think about some of the statements he made with reasonable examination. As painful as his comments may have been, they represent some truths that exist in the black community. We see women, alone, single parents, raising children, making comments that they do not need a man or want to have a male role model in their childrens' life. Some women are crossing to the lesbian lifestyle seeking shelter and comfort from hurt, abuse, and mistreatment from their husband, boyfriend and/or male counterparts they trusted. We have to step back and view this picture from a holistic view, not from a unit perspective. We will greatly divide the social structure of family and foster it with same-gender relationships raising children. Just think, we are opening our future generations to more issues than we can foresee. Let me clarify, it is your choice to remain in a same-gender relationship and carry out the way you want to live your life. This country grant you the freedom and right to do just that if you so desire. However, to superimpose the gay agenda in society is wrong and you will always encounter retaliation. Yes, I am gay black male, but I will say that I cannot superimpose my views on someone else, especially try to impose them on the rest of society. We should be respected and treated equally, I do not argue with that fact. However, we must face the truth and accept that Pastor Wilson's comments in many regards have truth behind it.

Next, we talk about the church frequently. I see that we are visiting this issue over and over again. I will say this, it is time for true Pastors and Ministers called by God to stand up and say what is on the heart of God. I am not saying God does not love or accept us because he is no respect of persons. However,we need Pastors and Ministers to preach and deliver the uncompromised word of God, regardless of public opinion or acceptance. Look at the children of Israel, the people God has called, blessed, and appointed to all generations. Everytime God spoke to them, the Israelites did the opposite and they always ended up suffering more because they consistantly broke the commandments and disobeyed God's voice. I can say this, our land will continue to be plagued and many will fall sick and die in their own pride and rebellion. God will withdraw his hand from us until we seek him and fall to our face in prayer and contrition. The fear of the God has left the church and that is why Pastors and Minsters are now self-appointed and have distorted the church; they are not called by God, neither proven or confirmed or released to minister unto the people. We now wonder why our black communities are robbed by the black church. One person commented that when he live in Chicago, growing up in the Robert Taylor homes, he hated the community church. The reason for his hatred is because the pastor never gave back to the members, but always drove a fancy car and took money from the struggling families of the church. This is the primary reason why Pastors and Minsters are processed and refined for true ministry. We have an excessive amount of "fly by night" clergy using the name of God in vein and prostituting the church. Ultimately, this tragedy perpetuate anger in black men and women who are less fortunate and they run into drugs, gangs, teenage troubles, because no true church exist reaching out to the destitute and hurt of the community.

Mel Smith
July 19 2005, 11:50PM

Guess who, you think allowing someone to discriminate against you is ok? This is not "a gay agenda." It really is a human agenda. Dude, people are simply asking for their human rights. Throughout history, dominate groups always try to retaliate when minorities seek respect.

Cool
July 20 2005, 2:12AM

Guess who:

Get off it.

The true message of God is love. And we all know what love looks like and sounds like.

Let's be honest, most folks preaching the gospel today have no clue who or what God is.

Their pride and ego prevents them from knowing the full truth, God in all his glory.

I can build a church that only feeds your ego and it will be very prosperous. But it can have nothing to do with God.

True, the 'gay agenda' has seriously dire consequences if adopted willy-nilly. Many gays can't control their own bodies and desires. Why should anyone adopt their cause?

Once gays show that they deserve respect, stop cowering in fear in closets and dark shadows, stand up and be men, no one will treat them as such.

Be a man. Act like one. Respect, rights and recognition will follow.

On issues of God. Don't nobody know what they are talking about. Including Rev Wilson.

Guess Who??
July 20 2005, 1:27PM

Dear Mel,

I have students who argue the same theory in my lectures. My counter argument remains the same, what is "human" about it? What is considered natural? For more clarification, explain in depth "human rights?" I thought we have freedom and rights to live our life the way we desire. Why should you care what others think or feel about it? I could continue but we should stop there for now.

Dear Cool,

I like your views, but the message of love is subjective.

Mel Smith
July 20 2005, 2:38PM

Guess Who, some people will not have a problem with gay folks getting arrested for engaging in sex which is part of their natural sexual orientation. Actually, real haters won't mind exterminating folks like me and you. Those people had those ideas before this "gay marriage" topic begun. I'm being honest and I don't want to upset anyone with this sensitive topic. It's always a human rights issue when one group is allowed something which another group is denied. Thus, heterosexuals are not the only sexual orientation group. The greatest injustice is to allow an injustice to happended or to pretend that everything is ok(when it's not). Some states don't have laws which protect same gender loving people from being fired or to protect us from housing discrimination. Gays could be fired from the military and they don't have to even acknowledge their sexual orientation. Same sex marriage is just a sub topic withing a larger topic. We grow and develop in society. Therefore, change must occur in life. Especially, when hatred and prejudice against individuals is involved. Guess who, me and you may have good jobs and discriminatin may not directly affect us. But it affects others who might be gay. Therefore, I think it's fair to be considerate of everyone's situation. Discriminating against someone is not even a liberal or conservative argument.

Kola Boof
July 20 2005, 3:14PM

Where in the BIBLE does GOD instruct men not to marry "ugly" women----and does GOD even have such a meaningless, earthbound designation as beautiful versus ugly?

It seems to me...that from the moment we are born, our bodies begin to ROT.

If we are so beautiful at 25 then would GOD have us committ suicide at 75?

FURTHERMORE....

Where in the BIBLE does it instruct people to persecute and dis-allow GAY PEOPLE?

I come from a NILOTIC CULTURE where homosexuality is seen as "one of the ingredients" of the life cycle. In every ancient depiction of the Egyptian and Sudanese (Nubian/Cushite) peoples---there is EXTENSIVE honoring of the multi-sexual roles that Nilotic Religion and Cushitic-Hebrew-Nilotic social culture were imbued by.

As an African woman, I really wish that people would actually "READ" the books I write. How have we missed the truth?

My Auntie Ramah, who was a lesbian in Sudan, was imprisoned for "Witchcraft"----because now that the Muslims have taken over our society, they have created this category "GAY" and now all the "gatekeepers" (meaning gay people) are being PERSECUTED!! in a Nilotic Culture!!! The Christians are also bringing this mess into Nile River societies.

No matter what rumors abound about Kola Boof's sexuality, the FACT remains that I am a straight woman and mother of two-----and my question is this....

..."If people are not gay--then why are they so terrified of the ones who are???"

It seems to me that SCIENCE is right. We are all born "bisexual" and then develop Sexual Preferences, often times prescribed by the social,moral and "normative stances" surrounding us---which means that when we are confronted by those who are gay, we immediately become fearful of the "gayness" in all of us.

It's the same with blackness. The White Arabs in my part of the world despise BLACK people, because they immediately recognize blackness as a part of their own genetic makeup that they would much rather be devoid of. That's why the brown skinned Palestinians are quicker/faster to call us "Abeed" than the WHITE Israeli (you would have to come from Nilotica to understand).

Rev. Willie Wilson is a SEXIST PIG, a HOMOPHOBE and a very insecure man.

He is not someone that we should be listening to in the pulpit.

And I still say that the "black female"--the Authentic Black Female, not the "white" looking black women---are the most UNLOVED, UNPROTECTED, discriminated people in the United States. I don't care what anyone says.

This society hates the Authentic Black Woman...because she is the SOURCE of all black people, and by hating and ERASING her image....you effectively destroy and erase ALL BLACK PEOPLE.

Willie Wilson could care less about those facts. He'd rather DEMONIZE lesbians by lying on them and creating new things to blame them for.

TO ME...many of the strongest, most right-thinking black women in this society are LESBIANS. I think they deserve "applause" from the black community rather than fear and contempt.

Mel Smith
July 20 2005, 4:18PM

Kola, thank you for your powerful words. You are an inspiration.

FRE
July 20 2005, 4:18PM

The reason that the gay persons in his congregation don't speak up is that they have been victimized by internalized homophobia. They really believe that the preacher is right (except for the obvious nonsense regarding income disparities being the cause of lesbianism).

Also, some Christians have been led to believe that unless they continuously wallow in guilt, they will not be saved. Of course we Christians should recognize our faults, work to overcome them, and pray for forgiveness, but in some churches there is a lack of balance and people are made to believe that there is no good in them and that they are totally evil. Thus, they continue to seek out destructive preachers who support that destructive belief. They are trapped! And the whole situation is exacerbated by their dependence on the church for their social lives.

Lise
July 20 2005, 7:16PM

girls telling a guy that they are a lesbian is one of the oldest turn down lines around. perhaps they aren't gay, perhaps they just didnt want to go to the prom with him? and why couldn't daddy find him a nice little church girl to take to the prom?

i was hurt when news of this came out. but even more hurt when i found out that a friend of mine, a lesbian in a committed relationship attends his church and says that his comments won't keep her from attending. i have left a church in the past for similar reasons, and i don't expect everyone to take the same stand. but how can you stay in a place touting itself as the house of god and listen to such a thing? coments that not only degrade you as a woman, but tear down your sexuality as well? it's more than i can take, and i don't know what to say to this friend of mine anymore.

Wesley
July 20 2005, 9:12PM

We're all preaching to the choir. I'm sure (most of) the members of Union temple aren't reading keithboykin.com. Maybe the message should be taken directly to them on Sunday mornings. Surely they can understand the concept of peaceful protest. Any takers?

alicia banks
July 21 2005, 1:29AM

hey keith

great column as always!!!

glad u busted this buybull toting fool

only closeted gays gaybash so rabidly...

so, i hope your next column is about his secret man

this preacher sounds and looks like a DL bro to me...

wonder if he asked his son how he and his peers abuse het girls?

sexism hads much more to do with lesbianism than salaries

peace
ab

Regan DuCasse
July 21 2005, 8:44AM

As soon as the criticism came in Rev. Wilson did what any other red blooded American COWARD would do, he said his words were taken out of context.

Yeah, right.
He was busted as the ignorant, sexist homophobe he is, and now he's criticizing OTHERS for his foul mouth!
It's bad enough that patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels...but piety ranks right up there for the same.

brian
July 21 2005, 4:25PM

would everyone please give a shout out to miss kola. she has summed up the whole problem concerning the self hatred of black people of how "we" see ourselves. when we as a race and a culture begin to understand the problems concerning our behaviors as a race and as a culture then we will be able to fight the powers that be. protests and words are not working; with every action there is a reaction and until we as a people begin to react and respond with our actions only then will the changes come. peace, love and hairgrease.

steve
July 21 2005, 8:42PM

I agree with Willie Wilson 100%. WEB DuBois predicted 100 years ago the blacks would start to duplicate the ways of his oppressor. This was his greatest fear. Now today blacks in the USA are doing just that. Whether it be corporate corruption, police brutality or living a moraly bankrupt life blacks mimic the ways of whites. Here is a question for, why is it that the origin of blacks (Africa) does not nor has there ever been a large homosexual population? After 400 years in America we can no longer call ourselves Gods people. We are no longer a moral people, homosexuality is some of the fruit of this growth. This has now even trickled down to our children. I happen to work in the DC Public School system that Rev. Wilson was speaking of in his sermon. For those who are aware of the DCPS the comment about rampant lesbianism is no suprise to you. I believe it was the Washington Post and Chanel 7 that reported on the problem of Lesbian gangsactively recruiting young girls into their ranks. Their main recruiting tool is violence. They have been known to beatup girls who do not comply to their request. For those of you who do not believe this is true contact DCPS, the Metro police or even the local PTA. this is sad but true. Well I have run on enough, but you get what I think about black who make the choice of the gay life style. I think that it is moral wrong.

Kola Boof
July 21 2005, 9:38PM

STEVE---

you're a downright IDIOT if you think Africa has never had any large homosexual populations.

Do you know nothing about Cushitic and Egyptian history?

Queen Hatsetshup and Queen Nok were both LESBIANS.

Nefertiti's husband, THE PHAROAH, was a cross-dressing homosexual.

We have a lesbian tribe in Sudan that's thousands of years old!!!

Homosexuality played an intricate role in NILOTIC religions---most notably the religion of RAH (the Sun).

ALL OVER AFRICA....there are homosexual groups, tribes and gay people who have only recently been persecuted (the last 100 years) because of the two invader religions--Christianity and Islam.

But because I'm an African woman saying things like this---everybody tries to portray me as (a) non-existent (b)fraudlent woman (c) crazy, ex-mental patient

I'm not saying ANYTHING that anyone in this stupid country wants to hear---so I'm not real.

We never had a problem with GAY PEOPLE in Africa until these sick Christian and Muslim despots starting all their paranoid crap.

You American Afrocentrics are nothing but insecure NEGRO christian-ites who don't walk around talking about "HOTEP" (whaaaaa?) and barking about how much you love your ancestors while you bounce your Half-white grandbabies on your knees.

Everything under the sun, including homosexuality, took place....FIRST....in Africa.

Richard J. Rosendall
July 22 2005, 11:35AM

Here is the citation for an interesting collection of studies on homosexuality in societies all across Africa:

Stephen O. Murray and Will Roscoe, editors, Boy-Wives and Female Husbands: Studies of African Homosexualities, St. Martin's Press, 1998.

The title's reference to "boy-wives" has to do with the tradition of quasi-marriages between older men and younger men working in the South African mines, which arose because the men in the mining camps were separated from their families for extended periods of time.

alicia banks
July 22 2005, 7:15PM

ps:

this fool says financial independence = lesbianism!!!

actually....sexist abuses cause some lesbian sex..but sex is not sexuality

all women having lesbian sex are not lesbians
especially if they are only sick of men

and

gaybashing fools like this DL rev never say a thing to the het male abusers of women!!!!

it seems if they really wanted to stop lesbian sex by het females...they would preach to men about how to treat women!!!

like he should tell his son how to avoid being one the teen boys who makes teen girls want lesbians!!!

shame!!!
ab

peace

ab

Guess Who??
July 22 2005, 8:32PM

Dear Kola Boof,

Please consider the following:

1. Nefertiti’s husband was Akhenaton- the only high priest to service the god Aton (Originally, his name was Amenhotep). For clarification, theoretically, King Akhenaton suffered from some kind of Marfan syndrome, which distorts the physical characteristics often mistaken as a female. Maybe this is why you “feel” he was a cross-dressing “homosexual,” but unlikely this was not the case.
2. Have you ever considered why Africa is so poor, poverty-stricken, sick, and can never bypass sub-standard living? Could it be their way of life? Could it be sexual immorality? Again, we must question and think if this is interrelated.

Mel Smith
July 23 2005, 3:28AM

Guess who, the situation and History of the continent of Africa is complicated. The conquerers from Europe played a role in distablizing Africa. Europeans and Arabs did a lot of negative things to the natives. The Europeans combined different ethnic groups all together and created artificial boundaries. For example, Nigeria have over fifty ethnic groups. There is also curruption going on in African countries as well. The European and the Muslim influence definitely play a role in Africa's downfall. Although, the natives must become one. Guess who, I really don't think you are a homosexual because I can't understand how you could hate your own self and side with people who dislike you.

Bklynbro
July 23 2005, 12:39PM

Steve - you have the right to be wrong.

Jeff
July 24 2005, 12:24PM

Poor, poor, Steve. Did you also forget that we also learned Christianity from the white man? Isn't that also duplicating whites? Read a book or something before you come up on this site talking about something you don't know anything about.

Terry
July 25 2005, 1:50AM

Thanks for your article. I wrote one to raise some points of my own as I hope many of us will. Obviously this person shares (alongide a lot of other people) a lot of very deep seated problems.

I only hope enough straight folk see through the foolishness. I know many do.

Thanks again,

Terry

PW Flyy
July 25 2005, 2:47PM

I am a young (college bound), non-Christian, straight, black female and I heard of this "Reverend's" sermon on a website that I am part of, which discusses Afrocentricity and black culture. I searched for more information on this man, and I am honestly feeling the pain of every (1)independent black woman in America, (2) lesbian black woman, and (3) homosexual and people which are in loving and committed same-sex relationships.
I am very committed to any kind of activism and I think that it is more than a shame for a man that has the power to influence future homophobes and hate crime perps to become the opposite to speak with such distaste and hatefulness!
I am honestly a young committed activist and I am looking to contact someone about this sermon. I hope that the people of America do not honestly take such a man seriously! And I know that this sort of speak is not that of Christian quality, all though I am not Christian. As Ghandi said: "I like your Christ, but not your Christians. Your Christians are not like Christ."
I am looking to organize a local activity to speak out about this man and the nature of his ways. Why would a person with the power to do something so substantially positive use it to encourange children to hate(I am assuming that people still bring their children to church)? It is a shame, and I agree -- It is an act against human rights. What makes this sermon any different from wh-ite Christian extremists from speaking about the dangers and deserved hatred of black people?

Joan de Beauvoir
July 25 2005, 3:34PM

I'm an active member of the Rev.'s church and bisexual. (I am using a nom de plume.)

In my statement here I have tried to be extremely professional and clear and to say things that seem to be outside of the threads left online about this issue.

I and many other women have been arguing for more say in the inner workings of the church as we do much of the work any way. The Rev. was threatened and made the sermon in part to shame a cadre of women within the congregation already. As with many black churches, it is actually much more complicated than "black churches are more homophobic than white ones" or "'the' black community hates homosexuals more than any other community."

In fact, there is no evidence to say that blacks, or their churches are any more hateful than any other group of people or their faiths.

Also, there is no one "the Black LGBT community" but many communities of people who have different ways of loving and sharing our bodies. The press release, while good intentioned, ignores the diversity of community life.

The reality of the matter is that always good goes with bad: the Rev. has actually helped many different types of people, including gay men (who he feels more comfortable helping). And no, this does not excuse his mistakes and hatred.

He was originally open to gay black men participating in the march. Like many large faith communities, my church is full of a diversity of low income people that are, in fact, highly intelligent, neighborhood folks who struggle with the manner in which the DC government consistently leaves us behind. We look to very involved churches like ours to fill in the blanks and in so many ways, the Rev.'s church, and many others in Anacostia truly does so.

I sense that many of you have very little idea of what it is really like to hail from, live in, and die in Anacostia, or other longtime low-income black areas. You may hail from such places but you leave with general statements about how all black folks are homophobic, or more homophobic, and you rarely come back to seek hands-on change instead of just talk.

For many of us here, being gay, lesbian and bisexual is important but not more so than our 2 and three jobs, our children, our basic survival.

It's easy for you, with your education at mostly white schools, or your activism that rarely includes sustained attempts at fighting black poverty, to critique us for being hypcrites.

From my end, you are a hypocrite if you're not fighting poverty and you're black in America.

Bisexuality is *the* norm where I come from and live. Our life-values do not conform to bourgeoise values, or the kind of lifestyle that Keith Boykin enjoys.

I got my education from UDC after studying for 8 years at Armstrong Adult Education in downtown DC.

I have never had a vacation for which I can post half-naked pictures with my lover on my blog.

I work one job 5 days a week as a legal secretary and have a book-keeping night job to feed my lovely kids. Even if I am active and complain about the garbage not being picked up on my block, or basic things, the city ignores me.

What is Keith Boykin's "the Black LGBT community" doing about poverty in DC and other places?

As you down the Rev., and I have critiqued him too as we should critique leaders, why don't you also stop talking and start serving the less fortunate with your hands as well as your words.

Let's not reduce all this to "black and white" simplicities. Include OUR views, people who live life that you critique.

I attend church because most of the time the emphasis on Christ and God's love and active programs for the poor is so strong: more strong than any other group I know, and more strong than the message of "ignore you/ talk about you" coming from every where else.

I will continue to work INSIDE the church, to correct from within, to advocate for new or improved leadership, to share the good news that the Rev. too sins and is in need of prayer like all of us.

Many of you assume that the Rev. is the church.

On the contrary, *I* and others like me are the church.

Jai Fenlin
July 25 2005, 4:20PM

I agree with Rev. Wilson. It is one thing to commit sin, but living a homosexual lifestyle is committed to living a sinful life. He is absolutely correct when makes the comment about strapping on something and lubricating yourself is not natural. There is nothing natural about anal sex, male or female. If God wanted us to conduct ourselves in that way he would have made it that way, but he didn't. It is disgraceful how society is allowing this deviant behavior to rule. CHildren are receiving mixed messages about sex and proper relationships. I watch many teens who feel that this behavior is trendy and cute, but little do they know they're clearing the path straight to hell. I do not believe that homosexuals should be harmed, but I do believe they need to be conformed before it is too late.

Jeff
July 25 2005, 5:49PM

Jai, you are entiteled to your opinions but you know not too long ago, black were in the same boat. That's what I don't understand with some of you Christians. The same bible you espouse to be the word of God was the same one used to justify african americans as slaves. Was that a holy act? No it wasn't. We were the "deviants", the "savages", the "heathens" until they taught us the ways of their God; that way the good christian white folk don't have to feel so bad about the f***cked up sh*t they did. By all means, join them now since you're no longer on that side of the argument. Join the hateful few.

Jaywood
July 26 2005, 3:15PM

Speaking as one who does attend church on an average of 3 times a week. I personally ( And I already kno I am going to get attacked ) see a group of people that are really no different than the people that we claim are the oppressors. Most people in church are happy and will support the pastor until he starts to get to the section of their life that makes them uncomfortable, and then we want to get mad with the Pastor. I just think that its time for us who say I am going to live in sin to say.....Ok I live in sin and I will deal with that, instead of justifying our sin. This not only applies to us , but everyone no matter what the sin. I make no excuses about what I do, and do not expect my Pastor to support my lifestyle if he did I would leave that church, because I need someone who is going to preach truth if it is popular or not.

Alicia Banks
July 26 2005, 5:31PM

here is more from that fool rev:
http://www.washblade.com/2005/7-15/news/localnews/minister.cfm

sex is not sexuality
angry bf hets who have lesbian sex are not lesbians
and preachers better start preaching to abusive het bm about how to treat women
ie
preach to snoop dogg about how tired pimping is etc..
or
preach to husbands about how bored wives are with mistresses (male or female ones etc) ...
until then
lesbian sex will only increase
fools like this willie only create more lesbian sex...
peace
ab

Julio
July 27 2005, 4:49PM

Keith,

Good job in getting a bunch of people to respond to this. I did not expect such a high level of diversity in the comments people made.

While I, in general, agree with you I will have to say that Miss Joan de Beauvoir let you HAVE it! Although the fact that she can't use her real name for perhaps fear is very telling.

She brings up a very good point about how easy it is for us folks of privelege to look down on an institution such as the "Black church" when it really doesn't play a prominent role in our lives as lets say.. people who live in the ghetto. Hers was just about the only comment to your contrary that I found worth merit.

Also, she did have a point about the pictures of yourself in the article about your trip to Fire Island. Okay, we KNOW you are a hottie with body and face. WE GOT THAT! Plastering pictures of your hot little body in articles only serves to distract me from what you are trying to say. Also, weren't you lamenting the hypersexualization of the black male by white society in your book (which was FIERCE by the way)? You aren't exactly helping that stereotype by plastering pictures of yourself all over your site. Not that I mind staring at your hot little body, its just that the context was slightly inappropriate.

I was kind of shocked and dismayed at the level of ignorance some people displayed as well as shocked that they would take the time to read the article and then spew their ignorance. It is good we are having this discussion though.

Just my two cents.

Julio

Eva Young
July 27 2005, 11:57PM

Good post, Keith on this from the minister:

Any time somebody got to slap some grease on your behind, and stick something in you, it’s something wrong with that. Your butt ain’t made for that. [Audience shouts and yells its approval in the background.] You got blood vessels and membranes in your behind. And if you put something unnatural in there, it breaks them all up. No wonder your behind is bleeding. It’s destroying us.

EY: Why the need to get so graphic? Is this guy - and his audience getting off on all this? He seems rather obscessed with the topic.

Tracey
July 28 2005, 2:29AM

I guess it's just me, but I found Mr. Wilson's (I have revoked his reverendship all by myself) commentary a direct attack on African American women PERIOD!!!! I applaud Rev. Dr. Amina Binta for resigning her co-chair with the MM March commitee, but I not sure why she not offended as a black woman as well. This is NOT just a attack on GLBTs, but an attack on the entire African American female gender!

Mr. Wilson's horrific commentary is not new, black women have been blamed for the ills of the black community since the dawning of time, he just spread the blame to include black lesbians. There should be a whole lot of people pissed off about this, not just the GLBT community.

I am amazed that with all the hand wringing going on that your commentary completely overlooked this clear kick in the ass to black women. If I'm not gay, I'm ugly? Damn! If I'm successful, I'm going to turn into a lesbian?

This is not just GLBT hate language, this is WOMAN hate language. This type of commentary is not only meant to belittle the GLBT community, but to demean and control Black women of any sexuality.

chandra
July 28 2005, 2:32PM

I have written a email regarding concern about the exclusion of black gay men in the march. I told them to not forget their history. This march is based on the first march on washington whose chief organizer was a what...GAY BLACK MAN, BAYARD RUSTIN. Dr. King knew he was gay b/c Rustin was openly gay. Dr.King felt that we are all children of God and had no problem working with him. How ironic that a man who organized a march to free black people in this country would be excluded from a march based on his over 40 years later. What a shame.

Anika
August 3 2005, 4:37PM

It is the responsibility of the man of God to address moral and spiritual issues that affect God's people. As a member of Pastor Wilson's church he speaks out against ALL sin. There are members of our church who are Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Transgender. Just as there are members of our church who are liars, fornicators, substance abusers, etc. I don't see any of those people organizing or campaigning against the church because they're sin may be addressed on a given Sunday. Truth is truth and sometimes it hurts.

Tiffany
August 14 2005, 3:45PM

Personally, as a biblical believer I find homosexuals to be some of the most intolerant, hateful people I know (I'm a flight attendant so 'Yes' I do know and regularly socialize with gay people). It seems the gay community is all for tolerance until it comes to people of faith. Of course, this is a sweeping generalization, and I have some gay friends who are kind, compassionate and truly tolerant. They they are the exception here in DC. Most gay people here are virulently Christophobic. Yes, I made up a word, just as 'homophobic' was made up. They are both equally ridiculous attempts at denigrating and demonizing those who disagree with our personal beliefs. The truth is, just becaue I choose to agree with the Word of God does not mean that I hate or fear gays. I also don't agree with people like Willie Wilson (who's theology is not biblical) who make a point of being cruel and coarse to others, whether we agre with their personal choices or not. The fact is that most people who like to argue the Bible are unsaved people, or people who can't remember the last time they picked up the Scriptures. It says right inside the Book that those who are against godliness will actively and vehemently oppose the Word and the man who brought it. The Bible also says that its wisdom will be as foolishness before those who are not actively seeking its truths. So, what is the truth as far as what the Scriptures really say about being 'gay'?? Any honest Bible scholar who knows Hebrew and or Greek (and I do know Hebrew) will tell you that there is no room for interpretation as far as homosexuality is concerned. Just don't do it. Similarly, other things like fornication, drunkeness, bestiality, lying, none of these are up for argument. Each is roundly denounced in the Word. How come no one ever tries to argue that fornicating should be allowed in the body of Christ?? Or how come no one argues that lying is natural and should be accepted?? Because God isn't really interested in your actions, AND because most people know when they are wrong. If you're going to brazenly commit sin, just do it and call it what it is. God is interested in the source of your actions-the HEART. He is interested in making us HOLY. Holiness begins at salvation and is perfected when you die. Period. So, here's my suggestion. Let's agree to be honest with one another-let's agree to disagree without slinging emotionally charged terms like 'homophobic' and 'hate speech'. If you're going to argue the Bible, READ IT first, rather than retreating to the same tacky "white man's religion" argument. The corruption of the message or the messenger DOES NOT detract from its inherent truth. Furthermore, the 'white man's religon' argument is inherently false because Adam, Eve, and most folks in the Bible were COLORED. Many of them were at least partially African genetically. This reasoning makes sense considering that Israel is less than 200 miles from continental Africa. When God told Jesus' father Joseph to "go down into Egypt to hide", it would have been pretty difficult if they were white. Ever been to Egypt or the Middle East?? White folks don't blend in very well. Furthermore, every religion has its rogue quasi-adherents. Christianity, being an old faith and the world's largest will obviously have more rogues per capita because we have more who claim membership. But, not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is one. Just because I'm standing in the garage doesn't make me a car. You know how to tell a true follower of a religion?? Go back to the original text and see what it teaches. Then find the people who are actively pursuing the tenents therein, and you've found true believers. Which brings me back to the main subject-homosexualty. How, as a practicing homosexual or sympathizer can you call yourself liberal and tolerant when people who are earnestly following the tenents of their faith disagree with your life choices?? I think Rev. Wilson went a bit far, but I believe he spoke the truth. Homosexuality is rampant in DC along with a myriad of other ills. From a Christian perspective, homosexuality is wrong, not because of the behaviors, but because God said so. Therefore, we cannot choose to appease anyone over God and continue to profess adherence to the uncorrupted faith. I can hear some of my favorite epithets being hurled as I write: 'extremist', 'fundamentalist'. People use words like fundamentalist as if it's a bad thing to actually practice what you preach! Isn't that one of the main complaints against Christians?? All talk, no walk? Seems we can't win. Moral relativism is the new hallmark of our times. People who are willing to engage in moral relativism place themselves in mortal danger. Why? Because sin, in any form, is just something that the enemy of our souls uses to destroy us. The Word of God is the road map that teaches us how to navigate the dangers we will most assuredly face in this life. When we deviate, we are implicitly agreeing with the one who would destroy us, and that includes but is not limited to homosexuality. The thing that repels many non-gay people, even those who are Christian in name only (which the churches are full of these days) is the insistence that "gay is OK" which flies in the face of our God who said it's not. There can be no repentance for sin without first acknowledging our sins AS GOD REVEALS THEM TO US. I don't believe in thumping the Bible at people, because I am not the Holy Spirit. It is His job to correct, to convict us of sin and to restore us. But it is hard to even dialogue with the homosexual movement which stands in open defiance, shaking its collective fist at their creator. And God did not create people gay nor are people born gay, although I do believe you can be born with a propensity towards it. But, like alcoholism, even if homosexuality was genetic, that still wouldn't make it right. No one would claim "God made me an alcoholic". Homosexuality is a spiritual issue, a spirit that is sent to torture and to lead us into destruction. But, of course, because Jesus was victorious on the Cross, no weapon formed against us can prosper, that is, unless we let it. Our God is more than able to deliver us from all things-drugs, pedophilia, overeating, homosexuality, etc. To say that He can't is to suggest that the one true God is not all powerful. Of course He is. This doens't mean that change will happen overnight. I don't know many smokers, or sex-addicts (gay or straight) that haven't had to struggle with their personal 'crosses' daily. Sometimes we fall, but like Donnie McClurkin sings, "We get up". So, to all of my homosexual brothers and sisters, I say, don't let Rev. Wilson rile you, he's a coarse character to say the least. We, the body of Christ love you. We are here to help you and to accept you with open arms. We do not and cannot in any way condone your behavior or beliefs. We all have things that ar less than pleasing in His sight. But, God loves us all the same and desires the best for us. He gave us fantastic guidelines, boundaries and promises for our own protection and prosperity. Like our natural parents, our mistakes in no way diminish God's love for us, even when we make mistakes. If you'd like to discuss further, feel free to email me at dukebites1@msn.com.

Posted by: Tiffany at August 14, 2005 03:37 PM